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   >> Our uncovering of the theft is at:   
   >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oX   
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   >>>>   
   >>>> I remember NastyGoon and you accusing me of plagiarism for posting a   
   >>>> cento, and giving the source information on the thread in another post   
   >>>> rather than on the poem itself. I also remember NastyGoon accusing a lot   
   >>>> of other people of plagiarism - as I say, that was their schtick.   
   >> And we provided enough proof to make our case.   
   >>>   
   >>> Thank you.   
   >>>   
   >>> It's good to have some vague idea of what you're talking about.  If you   
   >>> remember the name of that cento, it would be much easier for me to   
   >>> search for it, in order to refresh my memory regarding it.   
   >>   
   >> "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" - Pure theft.   
   >>>   
   >>> From what *you've* written (above), it sounds like it was similar to the   
   >>> Cohen incident... and, therefore, most likely the second example that I   
   >>> claimed to have a very vague recollection of.   
   >>>   
   >>> IOW: I'd guessed correctly, only to be accused of attempting to change   
   >>> the subject and to be threatened with your opening another thread.   
   >> George Dance is sensitive when caught in his own web.   
   >>>   
   >>>>> Are either of these incidents what you are referring to?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No, I'm referring to your accusation, in this thread, that I wrote   
   >>>> something and tried to pass it off as Robert Creeley's work.   
   >> Someone did.   
   >>>   
   >>> Don't bother.  As previously noted, since you have promised to reveal   
   >>> the source of this supposed poem (regardless of whether it appears in   
   >>> your forthcoming copy), I have decided to once more grant you the   
   >>> benefit of the doubt.   
   >> We don't.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>>>> Since you repeatedly refuse to do so, I can only conclude that no such   
   >>>>>>> proof exists.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> As I've just noted: since you failed to find the line [and title of the]   
   >>>>>> poem I cited, you   
   >>>>>> (and your Nasty "colleague") have concluded that I forged it.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No, George.  I came to that conclusion based on 10 years of having   
   >>>>> interacted with you here.   
   >> We don't have that long of an exposure to George Dance's postings, but   
   >> Mr. Dance paraphrases what other people write such that it changes the   
   >> meaning, has selective memory, argues to the side of a point, and uses   
   >> silly nicknames for people he doesn't like.   
   >   
   > Apparently you've had exposure enough, as you've described George to a   
   > T.   
   It's true that we have had enough.   
      
      
   >>>>>   
   >>>> You concluded that I forged it based on 10 years of seeing me forging   
   >>>> poems? Oh, do please give me one example.   
   >>>   
   >>> That is not what I said, George.  I said that based on my past (and   
   >>> current) exchanges with you, I believe that you are capable of doing   
   >>> *anything* to win an argument ("forgery") included.   
   >> And when he is wrong, he attacks the person who is right.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>> At best, you have admitted that you only know about the poem from   
   >>>>> hearsay   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I did not, Lying Michael.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> , yet have quoted it from someone else's memory,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Nor did I say that I quoted it from another person's memory, Lying   
   >>>> Michael.   
   >>>   
   >>> Just what did you say, George?   
   >> George Dance said that his source told him (by some method) the first   
   >> line, title, and book in which a poem by Robert Creeley was published.   
   >> The source told George Dance the second line, but George Dance did not   
   >> write that down.  We assume that George Dance wrote down the first line,   
   >> the title, and the author of the poem, along with the book.  We conclude   
   >> that George Dance was given this information orally, as otherwise it   
   >> would already be available in print (if in an email or a site on-line).   
   >>>   
   >>> NancyGene and I have been prying out your proverbial teeth to obtain   
   >>> what little information you've revealed.   
   >> George Dance is feeling the heat in Canada.   
   >>>   
   >>> Like I said: if you just tell the truth about what happened, we wouldn't   
   >>> have to try to weave the little shreds of material you've given us   
   >>> together in an attempt to figure out what you're (not) talking about.   
   >> It would have saved what little "face" George Dance has.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> and accused   
   >>>>> NancyGene of having copied it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Nor did I accuse NastyGoon of having "copied" it (since it was not   
   >>>> copied, but changed), Lying Michael.   
   >>>   
   >>> A copy needn't be exact, George.   
   >> If we were going to paraphrase our line, we would have changed the words   
   >> that were changed in the "Creeley" version.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> That's three lies in a row from you, Lying Michael, all of them attempts   
   >>>> by you to change the meaning of something I did tell you.   
   >>>   
   >>> Again, all of them attempts to make sense out of what little you did   
   >>> tell us.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> Isn't that   
   >>>> what you were pre-emptively accusing me of doing in this thread just   
   >>>> today? Why, yes, it is. So go ahead and accuse me of playing "IKYABWAI"   
   >>>> again.   
   >>>   
   >>> I don't know what you're talking about, George?  You are saying that   
   >>> I've pre-emptively accused you of telling three lies in a row?  WTF does   
   >>> that even mean?   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>> Do you really think that's any better than if you had actually forged   
   >>>>> it?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I think the worst thing one can accuse another writer of s forgery. So   
   >>>> you go on  milking that charge; you still have over a week till the book   
   >>>> arrives.   
   >>>   
   >>> Again, I am once more giving you the benefit of the doubt -- contingent   
   >>> upon your revealing the source once your mysterious book arrives.   
   >>   
   >> We assume that George Dance will examine, word by word, page by page,   
   >> every inch of the tome to make the momentous discovery of a new Robert   
   >> Creeley poem!   
   >   
   > LOL!  I'm guessing that he'll come to the conclusion that the elusive   
   > line of poetry was written be someone else (unknown) and mistakenly   
   > attributed to Creeley.   
   Perhaps he mistook it for Mr. Dockery's insightful poem, written when   
   Dockery was a 22 year old junior in high school?   
      
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