[continued from previous message]   
      
   >>>> past.  You didn't say *what* we claimed you'd plagiarized.  Since you're   
   >>>> not coming forward with this information, as well, I told you the only   
   >>>> such incidences that I remember, and asked you if you were referring to   
   >>>> one of those.   
   >>>   
   >>> There was the Pink Floyd song that Mr. Dance chopped up and presented as   
   >>> his own poem, afterward claiming that he credited Pink Floyd on   
   >>> Facebook!   
   >>   
   >> LOL!  I'd forgotten that one.   
   > Understandable, as there were so many instances of this.   
   >   
   >> George certainly does have a problem with crediting the original   
   >> authors.   
   > George Dance hasn't internalized the rule about keeping the attribution   
   > with the poem.   
      
   He probably mistook it for a literary loophole: as long as he attributes   
   it somewhere on the internet, he can post it to as many other sites as   
   he wants to without said attribution.   
      
   >>>> So cut the crap and just answer the question: What specific accusation/s   
   >>>> are your referring to?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> I have a vague impression that you may have posted some other poem   
   >>>>>> without attribution as well, after NancyGene and I had joined.  I could   
   >>>>>> be mistaken on that count, and willingly admit as much.   
   >>> Pink Floyd's "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" - The George Dance link   
   >>> is:   
   >>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1D   
   ZGoSg/m/ldR4EOgMAgAJ   
   >>>   Note that George Dance presented the poem as his own and had even   
   >>> published it!   
   >>> Our uncovering of the theft is at:   
   >>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1o   
   Vwuvg/m/Ebsf7PBjAAAJ   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I remember NastyGoon and you accusing me of plagiarism for posting a   
   >>>>> cento, and giving the source information on the thread in another post   
   >>>>> rather than on the poem itself. I also remember NastyGoon accusing a lot   
   >>>>> of other people of plagiarism - as I say, that was their schtick.   
   >>> And we provided enough proof to make our case.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Thank you.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It's good to have some vague idea of what you're talking about.  If you   
   >>>> remember the name of that cento, it would be much easier for me to   
   >>>> search for it, in order to refresh my memory regarding it.   
   >>>   
   >>> "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" - Pure theft.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> From what *you've* written (above), it sounds like it was similar to the   
   >>>> Cohen incident... and, therefore, most likely the second example that I   
   >>>> claimed to have a very vague recollection of.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> IOW: I'd guessed correctly, only to be accused of attempting to change   
   >>>> the subject and to be threatened with your opening another thread.   
   >>> George Dance is sensitive when caught in his own web.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> Are either of these incidents what you are referring to?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No, I'm referring to your accusation, in this thread, that I wrote   
   >>>>> something and tried to pass it off as Robert Creeley's work.   
   >>> Someone did.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Don't bother.  As previously noted, since you have promised to reveal   
   >>>> the source of this supposed poem (regardless of whether it appears in   
   >>>> your forthcoming copy), I have decided to once more grant you the   
   >>>> benefit of the doubt.   
   >>> We don't.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Since you repeatedly refuse to do so, I can only conclude that no such   
   >>>>>>>> proof exists.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> As I've just noted: since you failed to find the line [and title of   
   the]   
   >>>>>>> poem I cited, you   
   >>>>>>> (and your Nasty "colleague") have concluded that I forged it.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> No, George.  I came to that conclusion based on 10 years of having   
   >>>>>> interacted with you here.   
   >>> We don't have that long of an exposure to George Dance's postings, but   
   >>> Mr. Dance paraphrases what other people write such that it changes the   
   >>> meaning, has selective memory, argues to the side of a point, and uses   
   >>> silly nicknames for people he doesn't like.   
   >>   
   >> Apparently you've had exposure enough, as you've described George to a   
   >> T.   
   > It's true that we have had enough.   
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> You concluded that I forged it based on 10 years of seeing me forging   
   >>>>> poems? Oh, do please give me one example.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That is not what I said, George.  I said that based on my past (and   
   >>>> current) exchanges with you, I believe that you are capable of doing   
   >>>> *anything* to win an argument ("forgery") included.   
   >>> And when he is wrong, he attacks the person who is right.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> At best, you have admitted that you only know about the poem from   
   >>>>>> hearsay   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I did not, Lying Michael.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> , yet have quoted it from someone else's memory,   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Nor did I say that I quoted it from another person's memory, Lying   
   >>>>> Michael.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Just what did you say, George?   
   >>> George Dance said that his source told him (by some method) the first   
   >>> line, title, and book in which a poem by Robert Creeley was published.   
   >>> The source told George Dance the second line, but George Dance did not   
   >>> write that down.  We assume that George Dance wrote down the first line,   
   >>> the title, and the author of the poem, along with the book.  We conclude   
   >>> that George Dance was given this information orally, as otherwise it   
   >>> would already be available in print (if in an email or a site on-line).   
   >>>>   
   >>>> NancyGene and I have been prying out your proverbial teeth to obtain   
   >>>> what little information you've revealed.   
   >>> George Dance is feeling the heat in Canada.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Like I said: if you just tell the truth about what happened, we wouldn't   
   >>>> have to try to weave the little shreds of material you've given us   
   >>>> together in an attempt to figure out what you're (not) talking about.   
   >>> It would have saved what little "face" George Dance has.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> and accused   
   >>>>>> NancyGene of having copied it.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Nor did I accuse NastyGoon of having "copied" it (since it was not   
   >>>>> copied, but changed), Lying Michael.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> A copy needn't be exact, George.   
   >>> If we were going to paraphrase our line, we would have changed the words   
   >>> that were changed in the "Creeley" version.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> That's three lies in a row from you, Lying Michael, all of them attempts   
   >>>>> by you to change the meaning of something I did tell you.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Again, all of them attempts to make sense out of what little you did   
   >>>> tell us.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Isn't that   
   >>>>> what you were pre-emptively accusing me of doing in this thread just   
   >>>>> today? Why, yes, it is. So go ahead and accuse me of playing "IKYABWAI"   
   >>>>> again.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I don't know what you're talking about, George?  You are saying that   
   >>>> I've pre-emptively accused you of telling three lies in a row?  WTF does   
   >>>> that even mean?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> Do you really think that's any better than if you had actually forged   
   >>>>>> it?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I think the worst thing one can accuse another writer of s forgery. So   
   >>>>> you go on  milking that charge; you still have over a week till the book   
   >>>>> arrives.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Again, I am once more giving you the benefit of the doubt -- contingent   
   >>>> upon your revealing the source once your mysterious book arrives.   
   >>>   
   >>> We assume that George Dance will examine, word by word, page by page,   
   >>> every inch of the tome to make the momentous discovery of a new Robert   
   >>> Creeley poem!   
   >>   
   >> LOL!  I'm guessing that he'll come to the conclusion that the elusive   
   >> line of poetry was written be someone else (unknown) and mistakenly   
      
   [continued in next message]   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)