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   >>> Of course Pickles was defending a NAMBLA member who had sex underaged   
   >>> boys (Ginsberg)   
   >>   
   >> Again, that's a lie and a misrepresentation.   
   >   
   > Not at all. Pickles admitting having gone to NAMBLA meetings, NAMBLA   
   > conventions, being friends with NAMBLA members, and having taken NAMBLA   
   > members to dinner, having discussed NAMBLA with them, and found them and   
   > their ideas to be perfectly acceptable.   
   >   
   > Pickles also boasted of having statutorily raped two 14-year old girls   
   > (probably a lie, but his boast speaks volumes about his views on the   
   > subject), and supported abolishing the legal age.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Allen Ginsberg was never known to have sex with anyone younger than   
   >> 18-19 and that was just one young guy who was in love with Allen   
   >> Ginsberg.   
   >>   
   >> This was all posted and archived here a dozen times in 2017-18.   
   >   
   > Wikipedia and other web sources say differently.   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> > Pickering.>   
   >>   
   >>>>>> Jim Senetto's homophobia and Antisemitism was the cause, basically.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Jim Senetto was constantly making anti gay remarks to Pickering, Zod,   
   >>>> even me.   
   >>>   
   >>> You really don't understand what words like anti-gay homophobic mean.   
   >>> Jim made gay jokes about you for the same reasons that I did: your own   
   >>> homophobia caused you to launch into a hissyfit on the topic.   
   >>   
   >> No, I simply corrected the lies and misrepresentations and set the   
   >> record straight, and will continue to.   
   >>   
   >>> Homophobia was your Michael Cooke of 2018   
   >>   
   >> The name is Michael Cook, no e at the end.   
   >>   
   >>>> He also joined in the jeering of 'fake Jew" against Stephan Pickering.   
   >>   
   >> Autocorrect typo fixed.   
   >>   
   >> Jeering not meeting.   
   >>   
   >>> if someone is going to cry "Antisemite!" each time   
   >>> you say anything about him, it's certainly reasonable to point out that   
   >>> he isn't even Jewish.   
   >>>   
   >>> Again, Pickles claims of being Jewish were a joke. He wanted to be like   
   >>> Bob Dylan, but he didn't want to take the time to study with a Rabbi, or   
   >>> to undergo a circumcision (who does?). So he bought himself a yarmulke   
   >>> and proclaimed himself a Jew.   
   >>   
   >> People do concert.   
   >>   
   >> My late friend Dan Barfield converted to becoming a Jew when he married   
   >> his first wife Judy, at the request of her parents, for example.   
   >   
   > If it was a Halachal conversion, he did it under the auspices of a   
   > Rabbi, had a circumcision and was immersed in a Mikvah.   
   >   
   > If he self-converted like Pickles, it didn't count.   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> Well, allow me to refresh your memory. Jim and Stephan first got into   
   >>>>>>> flamewars after you formed Team Monkey with him and NastyGoon (NG), a   
   >>>>>>> Pickering   
   >>>>>>> troll.   
   >>   
   >> George Dance nailed it ^^^   
   >   
   > There is not team, Donkey. Never has been, never will be   
   >   
   >   
   >>>> Nancy Gene obsessively stalked Stephan Pickering here from the Bob Dylan   
   >>>> newsgroup and began attacking Pickering here.   
   >>>   
   >>> No one has ever denied that. NancyGene obviously didn't like the man.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Or that Nancy Gene stalked Stephan Pickering here to continue her troll   
   >> attacks.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> where   
   >>>>>>> they (NG's preferred pronoun) would write trollpoems about Stephan.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That's really the only interest Nancy Gene had at the time, stalking and   
   >>>> attacking Stephan Pickering.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> That was almost 10 years ago   
   >>   
   >> I'm fine with that.   
   >>   
   >> Let's move on.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> result would be Stephan jumping into the Sampler, which would result in   
   >>>>>>> JIm   
   >>>>>>> flaming him and others (for example, Richard Oakley) also being turned   
   >>>>>>> against Jim. I doubt that either Jim nor Stephan realized that you were   
   >>>>>>> manipulating them for that outcome.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Pendragon sure had the feeble minded Jim Senetto in his control.   
   >>>   
   >>> Jim isn't here   
   >>   
   >> Good riddance.   
   >>   
   >>>>>> Unfortunately, that's exactly what Pendragon's agenda turned out to be.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> By the time Google Groups went under last year that's all Pendragon wS   
   >>>> doing, posting his malicious lies and misrepresentations.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> No... when Google Groups went under, I was busy reestablishing AAPC   
   >>   
   >> alt.arts.pietry.comments is a Usenet newsgroup, not a Facebook group.   
   >>   
   >> HERE is where a.a.p.c. is and will remain.   
   >   
   > But what have you done here?   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >>>>> The proof of one's agenda is in what one d   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And you've shown yourself to be a sleazy malicious troll for almost a   
   >>>> decade now, Pendragon.   
   >>>   
   >>> No... created an online community   
   >>   
   >> Good for you.   
   >>   
   >> Go there.   
   >>   
   >> 😏   
   >>   
   >>> I don't think that's anyone's idea of a "sleazy malicious troll."   
   >>   
   >> We can show them the Usenet newsgroup archives.   
   >>   
   >> So what really happened at the 1950s newsgroup for the other regulars to   
   >> drive you away so permanently?   
   >   
   > I've told you, Donkey. We started off on the wrong foot, and it   
   > escalated from there.   
   >   
   > I left when the discussions became rehashes of material we'd gone over   
   > before. I had nothing further to learn from them.   
   >   
   >   
   >>> What have you done for AAPC?   
   >>   
   >> Just reading and posting poetry, which is all that's needed or expected.   
   >   
   > Since the only ones posting are you and sometimes Rachel, you haven't   
   > got a lot to read.   
   >   
   >>>>> Let us now turn to Matthew 7:16-20   
   >>>>> (King James Version):   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns,   
   >>>>> or figs of thistles?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree   
   >>>>> bringeth forth evil fruit.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree   
   >>>>> bring forth good fruit.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast   
   >>>>> into the fire.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Shall we compare fruits?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I've never been a fan of Michael Pendragon poetry, sorry.   
   >>>   
   >>> Thank God!   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Agreed.   
   >>   
   >> 😏   
   >>   
   >>>>> I am publishing an AAPC poetry journal featuring award-winning poets.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Can you say vanity press?   
   >>>   
   >>> A vanity press charges a "reading" or "submission" fee.   
   >>   
   >> Do you pay in contributors copies?   
   >   
   > Almost. I don't receive any money for them. They're sold at cost.   
      
   So... no.   
      
   >>>>>>> After Jim and Stephan became engaged in a prolonged flamewar, both on   
   >>>>>>> and   
   >>>>>>> off the Sampler, the second thing you did was start flooding the group   
   >>>>>>> with   
   >>>>>>> a nasty, libellous document that NG had written.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Oh yes, the last resort, flood the newsgroup with your lies and   
   >>>> misrepresentations.   
   >>>   
   >>> There was no such "libellous[sic]" document   
   >>   
   >> George Dance saw it differently.   
   >   
   > He certainly spelled it differently.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> "There is no 'fact' of 'statutory rape'. 'Morality' -- like   
   >>> 'gnosticism', 'god', haKodesh Barukh hu, 'mysticism' -- are NOT   
   >>> definable, and for you to keep transposing your stultifying   
   >>> proto-fascism onto others is not accepted by me."   
   >>>   
   >>> "The 'incest taboo' cannot be predicated on known biology, but is a   
   >>> human sociopolitical category."   
   >>>   
   >>> "Shalom & Erev tov, everyone...PaederastDeSock knows nothing of the   
   >>> mother of my 2 children now in Yisra'el. Neither does NaziQueene whose   
   >>> psychopathy is documented here. He is attempting to equate '14' with   
   >>> immaturity, or infancy. This is how he mangles reality. They were adults   
      
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