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   >>>> "here" is superfluous.  "lost in some other guy's past"   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  lying there   
   >>>>   
   >>>> LOL!  Is your speaker "here" or "there"?  He can't be in both   
   >>>> simultaneously.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  with your seconds piled   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Whose seconds, Donkey?  In the opening line they were "the seconds"   
   >>>> connoting universal measurements of time.  Now the seconds belong to   
   >>>> someone els   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  there went by a life   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You should be imprisoned for torturing language like that.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "a life passed by" is the correct way of expressing this.  However, the   
   >>>> tense would be incorrect.  "Lying there" is present tense, meaning that   
   >>>> your speaker is in the present moment.   
   >>>   
   >>> No, that's not correct. "I am lying there" would be present tense; "I   
   >>> was lying there" would be past tense; the participle "lying" is not in a   
   >>> tense.   
   >>   
   >> Contextually, he is lying on the floor throughout the entire poem (if   
   >> I'm reading his gibberish correctly); in which case, he should be using   
   >> present tense throughout.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>> If he's thinking about someone   
   >>>> else's life that touched his in the past, he needs to specify this   
   >>>> before switching tenses.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "remembering a life that passed by"   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  untold   
   >>>>>>>>>  unasked   
   >>>>>>>>>  going by   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You've already said that it "went by."  "Going by" is just a needless   
   >>>> repetition.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It also changes the tense back from past "went" to "present".  Random   
   >>>> switches between tenses are an earmark of a Will Donkey poem.  You need   
   >>>> to learn how to use tenses correctly.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  never caused and never traced   
   >>>>>>>>>  the future never ever appears here.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> What are you trying to say here?  That this unidentified person's life   
   >>>> was never caused?  One should think their parents had been the source.   
   >>>> And how is a life traced?  Generally this would mean   
   >>>> recalled/recollected/remembered, but you wouldn't just use "traced" to   
   >>>> signify that.  Your sentence appears to be bemoaning the fact that no   
   >>>> one ever traced their image on a piece of transparent paper.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And what's with the "never ever"?  People stop saying "never ever" at   
   >>>> the age of 5 or 6.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  If some morning I wake   
   >>>>>>>>>  here for you   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Again, this is torturous prose.  It should be "If I awake some morning."   
   >>>>  In your line, the speaker is pondering the consequences of his waking   
   >>>> up a morning.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Here," again, is superfluous -- where else would you be expected to   
   >>>> wake?  "There"?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  trying to find some reason to return   
   >>>>   
   >>>> At this point, your speaker is babbling incoherently.  One doesn't wake   
   >>>> up in the middle of attempting to find a reason for doing something.   
   >>>> One wakes up from sleeping.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And, you have yet to identify who this person being addressed is.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> This is another earmark of a Will Donkey poem -- addressing various   
   >>>> pronouns (you, he, she, it, they) without identifying them to the   
   >>>> reader.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  if I see things denied   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It's impossible to tell if this line relates to that preceding or   
   >>>> following it.  It doesn't make sense either way.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Is he seeing things he once defined denied?  What did he define?  For a   
   >>>> person to "define" something would mean that he was the perfect symbol   
   >>>> of that particularly quality or characteristic (Joe was the definition   
   >>>> of courage).   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Or is his waking contemplation of the possibility of returning to...   
   >>>> some unidentified thing (a relationship?) being denied by the   
   >>>> unidentified someone's actions?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You need to learn how to convey information to your readers.  Language   
   >>>> is about communication.  It is the means by which we pass on   
   >>>> *information* to others.  When your poetry hints at vague relationships   
   >>>> with unidentified pronouns, it is failing to express anything.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Vaguery can be used to a poem's advantage -- but the *entire poem*   
   >>>> should never be incoherent.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  I once defined   
   >>>>>>>>>  a life just passed me by there   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Where's "there"?  If the life "just" passed you by, it would have done   
   >>>> so just a few seconds ago, so "there" should be "here."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> But earlier in the poem, you'd said that someone else's life had just   
   >>>> passed by.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Which life was it?  The speaker's life?  Or the unidentified "you" he is   
   >>>> addressing?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  slipped through my fingers   
   >>>>   
   >>>> This is just another way of saying "passed me by."  If a line doesn't   
   >>>> add anything to the poem, you should cut it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  everything here now is real   
   >>>>   
   >>>> WFT?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Was everything not real a moment ago?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> More importantly, *what* has become real?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  so wait.   
   >>>>>>>>>  That portion of the finish   
   >>>>>>>>>  never comes.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I'm guessing that you were stoned out of your senses when you wrote   
   >>>> this, and that it all made perfect sense to you at the time?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Are you telling the unidentified "you" (whose life had passed --   
   >>>> implying that they had died) to wait?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Are you telling yourself to wait -- as your train of thought jumps   
   >>>> tracks?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Or are you telling the reader, who you haven't been addressing, to wait?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And why use "portion" rather than "part"?  It just sounds false (like a   
   >>>> child attempting to use "big words").   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And just what part of what finish are you referring to?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Everything has suddenly become real (even though you had given no   
   >>>> previous indication that it was false, and even though you've failed to   
   >>>> even hint at what "real" and "everything" relate to), is meant to be a   
   >>>> false finish that never comes (and is, therefore, not a finish)?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That would sound vaguely profound if it actually had any intelligible   
   >>>> meaning.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  Now that the lights are going so low   
   >>>>>>>>>  the dimming glow   
   >>>>>>>>>  falls on my ego   
   >>>>   
   >>>> We have now arrived at the point in a Will Donkey poem, when I'm   
   >>>> inwardly screaming out "SHOOT ME NOW!!!"   
   >>>>   
   >>>> How does the dimming glow of some lights affect your speaker's ego?   
   >>>> Does he feel inconsequential at dusk?   
   >>>> u   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  now that I'm falling   
   >>>>>>>>>  into my morning   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So your speaker is still lying "here" (or, perhaps, "there") waking up   
   >>>> from contemplating returning to someone or something, and the lights   
   >>>> have suddenly dimmed?  Was there a brown out?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  here I am gazing into those   
   >>>>>>>>>  reflector eyes   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Is the (supposedly deceased) "you" he's been addressing actually lying   
   >>>> on the floor with him (not having "passed by" him at all)?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  morning light   
   >>>>>>>>>  is blasting my head clean too.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Too"?  Too implies that he'd already told us about something else that   
   >>>> the morning light was blasting clean.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So... basically, the speaker had gotten drunk and/or stoned, passed out   
   >>>> either here or there, woke up contemplating whether he should return to   
   >>>> someone or something, rambled incoherently about how his life (or the   
   >>>> life of someone else) passed him by... until the morning lights dimmed,   
   >>>> blasting his head clean.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Got it.  NOT!   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>  Morning's clearer   
   >>>>>>>>>  I've been forgetting it.   
   >>>>   
      
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