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|    W.Dockery to HarryLime    |
|    Re: Will Dockery's "Shattered" (2/3)    |
|    19 Feb 25 16:26:25    |
      [continued from previous message]              > signify that. Your sentence appears to be bemoaning the fact that no       > one ever traced their image on a piece of transparent paper.       >       > And what's with the "never ever"? People stop saying "never ever" at       > the age of 5 or 6.       >       >>>>>> If some morning I wake       >>>>>> here for you       >       > Again, this is torturous prose. It should be "If I awake some morning."       > In your line, the speaker is pondering the consequences of his waking       > up a morning.       >       > "Here," again, is superfluous -- where else would you be expected to       > wake? "There"?       >       >>>>>> trying to find some reason to return       >       > At this point, your speaker is babbling incoherently. One doesn't wake       > up in the middle of attempting to find a reason for doing something.       > One wakes up from sleeping.       >       > And, you have yet to identify who this person being addressed is.       >       > This is another earmark of a Will Donkey poem -- addressing various       > pronouns (you, he, she, it, they) without identifying them to the       > reader.       >       >>>>>> if I see things denied       >       > It's impossible to tell if this line relates to that preceding or       > following it. It doesn't make sense either way.       >       > Is he seeing things he once defined denied? What did he define? For a       > person to "define" something would mean that he was the perfect symbol       > of that particularly quality or characteristic (Joe was the definition       > of courage).       >       > Or is his waking contemplation of the possibility of returning to...       > some unidentified thing (a relationship?) being denied by the       > unidentified someone's actions?       >       > You need to learn how to convey information to your readers. Language       > is about communication. It is the means by which we pass on       > *information* to others. When your poetry hints at vague relationships       > with unidentified pronouns, it is failing to express anything.       >       > Vaguery can be used to a poem's advantage -- but the *entire poem*       > should never be incoherent.       >       >>>>>> I once defined       >>>>>> a life just passed me by there       >       > Where's "there"? If the life "just" passed you by, it would have done       > so just a few seconds ago, so "there" should be "here."       >       > But earlier in the poem, you'd said that someone else's life had just       > passed by.       >       > Which life was it? The speaker's life? Or the unidentified "you" he is       > addressing?       >       >>>>>> slipped through my fingers       >       > This is just another way of saying "passed me by." If a line doesn't       > add anything to the poem, you should cut it.       >       >>>>>> everything here now is real       >       > WFT?       >       > Was everything not real a moment ago?       >       > More importantly, *what* has become real?       >       >>>>>> so wait.       >>>>>> That portion of the finish       >>>>>> never comes.       >       > I'm guessing that you were stoned out of your senses when you wrote       > this, and that it all made perfect sense to you at the time?       >       > Are you telling the unidentified "you" (whose life had passed --       > implying that they had died) to wait?       >       > Are you telling yourself to wait -- as your train of thought jumps       > tracks?       >       > Or are you telling the reader, who you haven't been addressing, to wait?       >       > And why use "portion" rather than "part"? It just sounds false (like a       > child attempting to use "big words").       >       > And just what part of what finish are you referring to?       >       > Everything has suddenly become real (even though you had given no       > previous indication that it was false, and even though you've failed to       > even hint at what "real" and "everything" relate to), is meant to be a       > false finish that never comes (and is, therefore, not a finish)?       >       > That would sound vaguely profound if it actually had any intelligible       > meaning.       >       >>>>>>       >>>>>> Now that the lights are going so low       >>>>>> the dimming glow       >>>>>> falls on my ego       >       > We have now arrived at the point in a Will Donkey poem, when I'm       > inwardly screaming out "SHOOT ME NOW!!!"       >       > How does the dimming glow of some lights affect your speaker's ego?       > Does he feel inconsequential at dusk?       > u       >       >>>>>> now that I'm falling       >>>>>> into my morning       >       > So your speaker is still lying "here" (or, perhaps, "there") waking up       > from contemplating returning to someone or something, and the lights       > have suddenly dimmed? Was there a brown out?       >       >>>>>> here I am gazing into those       >>>>>> reflector eyes       >       > Is the (supposedly deceased) "you" he's been addressing actually lying       > on the floor with him (not having "passed by" him at all)?       >       >>>>>> morning light       >>>>>> is blasting my head clean too.       >       > "Too"? Too implies that he'd already told us about something else that       > the morning light was blasting clean.       >       > So... basically, the speaker had gotten drunk and/or stoned, passed out       > either here or there, woke up contemplating whether he should return to       > someone or something, rambled incoherently about how his life (or the       > life of someone else) passed him by... until the morning lights dimmed,       > blasting his head clean.       >       > Got it. NOT!       >       >>>>>> Morning's clearer       >>>>>> I've been forgetting it.       >       > Donkey, Donkey, Donkey [shakes head], always with the pronouns. The       > speaker has been forgetting what?       >       > And how can morning be "clearer" when it had never been described as       > being "unclear"?       >       >>>>>>       >>>>>> Your thoughts seem to stream       >>>>>> like a highway       >       > Light streams. Highways don't.       >       > Who is the speaker addressing? Himself? The morning? The unidentified       > person whose "uncaused" and "untraced" life had passed him by?       >       >>>>>> dimming lights seem to streak       >>>>>> like hitch-hikers.       >       > "Hitchhikers" is not hyphenated.       >       > Why would morning lights be dimming again? Usually the ambient light       > increases as the sun continues its ascent.       >       > And why are the hitchhikers streaking? I realize this was written in       > the 70s when streaking as still a thing, but I don't believe that the       > two (hitchhiking and streaking) went together.       >       > And even if there were dim streaks of light in your "here" (or,       > possibly, "there"), how does dim light recall a hitchhiker (naked or       > dressed)?       >       >>>>>> When does this dream end?       >       > WHEN DOES THIS GODAWFUL POEM END???       >       > I'm not joking, Donkey. A poem needs to grab, and hold, the reader's       > interest. Since I have no idea what you poem is about (other than your       > waking up still feeling the effects of the previous night's drugs), I       > have *ZERO* interest in it.       >       > I don't know who is speaking. I don't know who he's speaking to. I       > don't know what he's prattling on about. Hell, I don't even know if       > he's here or there.       >       > And, as a consequence, I cannot invest any interest (much less feelings)       > into his (non-) story.       >       >>>>>> When do I get on up the road?       >       > "Get on up the road"? That's not even decent backwoods slang. When       > speaking about reaching a destination (literal, spiritual, etc.), one       > says "down" the road. "Up" the road implies back to the start of your       > journey.       >       >>>>>> The light sped out       >>>>>> like a fire-fly       >       > "firefly" is not hyphenated.       >       > So the dimming, streaking, hitchhiking light is now a hastily departing       > firefly?       >       > Pick ONE metaphor and stick with it.       >       >>>>>> like gravestones       >>>>>> never noticed       >>>>>> never seen.       >       > OMFG!       >       > Now the dimming, streaking, hitchhiking, hastily departing firefly like       > light has turned into unseen gravestones???       >       > I can't wait to discover what the morph into next.       >       >>>>>> Like marbles       >>>>>> spilling from shattered minds.       >       > There it is!       >              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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