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|    Re: "Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan : Poetr    |
|    23 Apr 25 18:33:01    |
      [continued from previous message]              > Scaffold and the Liverpool scene, respectively.       >       > The book The Message: Crossing the Tracks between Poetry and Pop, which       > celebrated the theme of the 1999 National Poetry Day, spearheaded by the       > Poetry Society of Great Britain, explored the relation between pop       > lyrics and poetry, and the contributors, with varying degrees of       > equivocation, conclude that there is none. Lyrics are distinctive in       > their way, often gaining their particular force in the performance, the       > combination of intonation and notation, betraying a dependency on the       > music that is integral to their appeal. The banality of the lone lyric       > is atoned in the musical accompaniment, and the romantic death of the       > author may be positively redemptive. It is the event of the romanticized       > deaths of Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and Marc Bolan at       > the height of their fame, for example, rather than the memory of any       > particular lyric, other than for their sheer banality, that made them       > enduring icons, whereas with Keats, the beauty of the poetry made his       > untimely death a tragedy. Stephen Troussé, for instance, suggests that       > the “splendid banality” of Marc Bolan’s lines “I drive a Rolls-Royce       /       > Cos it’s good for my voice” is a more profound gift to the hist       > ory of pop than the contributions of all of the sad-eyed       > singer-songwriters of the 1970s.[9] He calls it “the aesthetic of the       > artful artlessness.”       >       > 4       > Indeed, there may be a great deal of mileage in Simon Reynold’s view       > that popular music gains its power not from the depth and meaning of its       > lyrics, but from its sheer noise.[10] The critics who analyze it import       > criteria from the higher culture in which they have been educated and       > impose rationality, aesthetic value, and depth of meaning on a form of       > expression devoid of all such things. Instead, it is the extralinguistic       > elements that refuse to succumb to content analysis that constitute the       > pop song—a driving bass line, earthy guitar, haunting Hammond organ,       > wistful wailing slide guitar, and rasping delivery of the lyrics. There       > has been what Troussé calls a critical shift from text to texture.[11]       > It would be a mistake to divorce Dylan and Cohen from such a       > characterization. Instead of making a category distinction in which the       > so-called poets of rock and roll are different in kind from other       > performers, they may be seen on a continuum representing the end at       > which text and texture are mutually supportive and inseparable. As       > Stephen Scobie points out, in themselves some of Dylan’s lyrics may       > appear awkward or even banal printed on the page, but the music and the       > phrasi       > ng give character and effect: “The music provides a rhythm, a beat, an       > emotional ambience.”[12] The arrangements of songs change, of course,       > and the mood conveyed, the images projected, and the context invoked       > take on different nuances, but Dylan is notorious for setting his lyrics       > to completely different accompaniments, transforming the effect, if not       > the content, of the words.       >       > Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen have both been hailed as great poets of       > their generation. Donald Henahan, commenting on Cohen, asserts that “on       > the alienation scale, he rates somewhere between [Arthur] Schopenhauer       > and Bob Dylan, two other prominent poets of pessimism.”[13] Playboy       > described Cohen as both the minstrel and the poet laureate of his       > generation.[14] Harry Rasky, the filmmaker, who produced the film The       > Song of Leonard Cohen, bestowed on him the dubious honor of being “the       > first great, vaginal poet.”[15] Both Dylan and Cohen precipitated heated       > discussions among academics and practicing poets about whether their       > lyric poetry was truly poetry at all, let alone good poetry. Neil       > Corcoran argues that Dylan’s lyrics rarely stand alone as poetry. Lyric       > poetry is meant to be composed and thought of rhythmically. The       > centrality of music in Dylan’s songs means that they cannot be viewed       > unreservedly as poetry. Corcoran equivocates on Dylan’s claim to be a       > poet and rather evasively suggests that although Dylan is not a       > conventional poet, he has the same artistry of mind as would a great       > poet in the clarity of expressions, the forcefulness of the imagery, the       > gracefuln       > ess of the language, and the relevance of the words in different       > contexts.[16]       >       > 5       > George Woodcock, for example, maintained in 1970 that Cohen had become       > something of an instant Keats, combining the romanticism with the fame       > that Keats did not enjoy until a half century after his death. Woodcock       > held that Cohen’s poetry had virtues that would keep it alive as “good       > minor poetry.” Combining pop singing with poetry, however, was barely       > compatible, and the former had had a deleterious affect on Cohen’s       > poetic development. Woodcock cites an interview with Cohen in Saturday       > Night in which he says that he no longer thinks about the words, because       > in themselves they are completely empty and any emotion can be poured       > into them. Woodcock argues that Cohen’s popular songs have ceased to be       > poetry because they are merely forms of words that receive life and       > meaning in the performance of the singer.[17]       >       > Acknowledged poets such as Arthur Rimbaud, Ezra Pound, and Federico       > García Lorca had sought to restore poetry’s place among the lived       > experiences of the everyday life of a community. The Beat poets emulated       > them in this aspiration. Kenneth Rexroth declared that intellectuals,       > that is, college professors, had hijacked poetry, taking it out of the       > hands of the people. Poetry in the oral traditions of Homer and Beowulf       > were show business, and the Beat poets aspired to reestablish the       > connection. Lawrence Ferlinghetti complained that the voice of poetry       > was being drowned by the competition of the mass media, traceable to       > Johannes Gutenberg’s printing press.[18] None succeeded in achieving the       > aim of reconnecting poetry with the masses, but the irony is that,       > Rimbaud, Pound, Lorca, and Ferlinghetti, through their influence on Bob       > Dylan and Leonard Cohen, came to the attention of a much wider reading       > public than was traditionally associated with poetic appreciation.       > Although Ferlinghetti acknowledged Dylan’s achievement, he was       > nevertheless resentful of Dylan’s success. Once, after attending a Dylan       > concert in Berkeley, California, with Ginsberg and Ken Kesey,       > Ferlinghetti was       > embittered, ranting about a stringy kid with an electric guitar drawing       > a bigger audience than a major poet such as himself.[19] In an interview       > with Robert Shelton, Ferlinghetti acknowledged that Dylan has a poet’s       > imagination, but added, “I still think he needs that guitar.”[20] In the       > March 1966 issue of Ramparts, Ralph J. Gleason praised Dylan for doing       > the impossible: for taking poetry out of the classroom and bringing it       > to the jukebox, from reaching a small circle of friends to having a       > worldwide audience. The importance of intruding art into popular culture       > was affirmed by Cohen in acknowledging that what Dylan had done was to       > put “the word back into the jukebox, which is really where you have to       > have it, or at least where I like to have it.”[21]       >       > What is undoubtedly the case, whether one confirms or denies Dylan’s and              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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