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|    Re: "Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan : Poetr    |
|    23 Apr 25 18:33:01    |
      [continued from previous message]              > Cohen’s claims to be poets, is that they achieved what their mentors       > 6failed to accomplish. They introduced a new audience to the world of       > poetry, an audience whose horizons were broadened and who contributed to       > a significant increase in the sales of poetry books. Rexroth       > acknowledged that “the importance of Dylan is that he is imitated right       > and left. It is a very important phenomenon that in the new-leisure       > society of barefoot boys and girls, poetry is dissolving into the       > community.”[22]       >       > The 1999 National Poetry Day, October 7, had as one of its principal       > themes the relation between poetry and song lyrics. Andrew Motion chose       > as his favorite lyric of all time the opening lines from Bob Dylan’s       > “Visions of Johanna”: “Ain’t it just like the night to play tricks       when       > you’re trying to be so quiet.” (Incidentally, it is also Bono’s       favorite       > line from a Dylan song.[23]) The Poetry Society of Great Britain       > commissioned Roddy Lumsden to explore the relation between pop lyrics       > and poetry and between their respective “industries.” The project drew       > upon the musings of a disparate crowd of commentators, including Motion,       > who commented on Bob Dylan’s work. The general consensus was that pop       > lyrics have their own integrity within the much broader texture of       > music, image, performance, and “attitude.” There are exceptions to the       > rule, and occasionally a successful lyricist produces words capable of       > being read and divorced from their texture. In Motion’s view, Bob Dylan       > is one such exception who does not need to lean on the crutch of his       > guitar. Despite this, Dylan worked hard at the texture, consciously       > crafting musical forms to coincide with his obses       > sion with change.       >       > Very early in Dylan’s career Robert Shelton, the folk music critic of       > the New York Times, described him as “one of the musical-poetic geniuses       > of our time.”[24] The literary critic Frank Kermode caused a stir in the       > 1960s when he compared Dylan with Keats and Wordsworth.[25] Paul       > Williams described Dylan’s work as “great art.”[26] Leonard Cohen       > suggested in 1985 that Dylan “is the Picasso of song,” and in 1988 in an       > interview in the Musician Magazine, he again likened Dylan to Picasso in       > his “exuberance, range and assimilation of the whole history of       > music.”[27]       >       > The claim that Dylan was a great poet of his generation precipitated a       > heated debate to which critics and academics contributed. Many academics       > were disdainful of the claim, suggesting that Dylan was a self-conscious       > second-rate imitator of Jack Kerouac, who appealed to the feebleminded       > who knew nothing of poetry. Whatever the merits of the counterclaims, it       > cannot be denied that Dylan made poetry popular, elevated from its       > secluded shade in a corner of academia, into the horizon of a new and       > inquisitive audience, hitherto not renowned for its cultural and       > artistic discernment. Henrietta Yurchenco argued in 1966 that “if Dylan       > has done nothing else, he is responsible for the present widespread       > interest in 7poetry.” She went on to say: “He has given poetry a       > significance and stature which it has never had in American life.       > Furthermore, he is a bard—a singing poet in an ancient but thoroughly       > neglected tradition.”[28] Adrian Rawlings, commenting on Dylan’s 1966       > Australian tour, proclaimed that he had rescued poetry from obscurity       > “in a way that neither Eliot nor Pound nor the American poetry and jazz       > movement ever could.”[29]       >       > At about the same time that Bob Dylan was listening to American folk and       > blues he started reading Ginsberg, Gary Snyder, Philip Whalen, and Frank       > O’Hara. Dylan had come to lyric poetry through Woody Guthrie, who Billy       > Bragg has suggested is the best American lyric poet since Walt Whitman.       > In 1960, a friend in Minneapolis, Dave Whitaker, who is credited with       > having brought about Dylan’s first great transformation, from the       > reluctant university fraternity boy on the margins of the in crowd to       > one of the coolest men in town, is most likely to have introduced him to       > Kerouac and the Beat poets, particularly Ginsberg and Ferlinghetti. It       > was at this time that Dylan read Guthrie’s Bound for Glory, the effect       > of which was to metamorphose him into a seasoned traveler with an       > Oklahoma accent, as well as a new past.       >       > In Greenwich Village the poetic influences were extended. Folk musician       > Dave Van Ronk stimulated Dylan’s interest in the work of the French       > symbolists. He particularly liked Rimbaud. Rimbaud was a rebel who       > wanted to reach a wider popular audience with his poetry, in which he       > questioned all types of establishment authority, including church and       > state. Like Woody Guthrie, he almost lived the life of a vagrant and       > drank very heavily. In addition, Rimbaud indulged heavily in marijuana       > and opium. He claimed that, in order to transform the poet into a seer       > or visionary, the senses must become disordered or disturbed by a       > prolonged process of disorientation. Blake, whom both Ginsberg and Dylan       > admired, expressed similar sentiments in more restrained terms: “The       > road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom” (from Proverbs of Hell).       > Dylan’s own well-documented drunkenness and excessive abuse of drugs       > coincide with the development of his abstract, almost surreal, poetic       > phase, or what he described himself as “hallucination . . . atery”       > songs. Van Ronk also got him interested in Villiers and Bertholt Brecht.       > Suze Rotolo, who appears on the cover of The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan i       > n a pose almost identical to that in a photograph of Dylan and Caitlin       > Thomas on the same New York street, was involved with a group of actors       > who staged Brecht plays at the Circle in the Square Theatre in Greenwich       > Village. She helped out by painting the scenery for a production of       > Brecht on Brecht, and Dylan would go down and watch the six performers       > rehearsing the poems and the songs Brecht wrote with Kurt Weill. Rotolo       > has commented that Dylan was most affected by Lotte 8Lenya’s signature       > song, “Pirate Jenny.”[30] On the album The Times They Are A-Changin’,       > which includes the beautiful “Boots of Spanish Leather,” a lament on       > Suze’s lost love, her presence is also indirect: her connection to       > Brecht is felt in the structure and verse pattern of “The Lonesome Death       > of Hattie Carroll,” which is based on Brecht’s The Black Freighter.[31]       >       > Rotolo was widely read and introduced Dylan to such poets as François       > Villon, Yevgeny Yevtushenko, and Robert Graves, whom he met in London       > when the BBC flew Dylan over to appear in Madhouse on Castle Street.       > Graves wasn’t really interested in a pushy, scruffy little American       > trying to thrust his poetry under his nose. Dylan was deeply offended       > and went back to New York, describing Graves as an “old bastard.”       > Graves, in fact, had been very rude by turning to four musicians and       > starting a conversation while Dylan was singing “Hollis Brown.”[32]       >       > Dylan consciously tried to go beyond the rhyming of words that was       > typical of most song forms. He once said in an interview that he wrote       > his songs so that they could be read or recited even without the beat or       > melody.[33] As early as 1963 he found the song form restrictive, a              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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