From: g@crcomp.net
William Hyde wrote:
> Don wrote:
>> William Hyde wrote:
>>> Don wrote:
>>>> Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>>>> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Amongst Our Weapons "by Ben Aaronvitch
>>>>>> Hard cover 294 pages from DAW Books $27 US.
>>>>>> Well I may have read this before but it was a romp.
>>>>>> Ben Aaronvitch with his Rivers of London series seldom
disappoints
>>>>>> Amongst Our Weapons is another tale of Peter Grant in the
Folly
>>>>>> and out to Manchester where he releases, but no that would be
>>>>>> telling. He is a very busy sort with magic rings and heart
ripping
>>>>>> murders. Lesley is on the scene but still being criminal in
her
>>>>>> behavior. Even our Tank-breaking wizard Nightengale is not
>>>>>> able to handle the Spanish Inquisition's Angel of Death but
>>>>>> Peter does and releases the Spanish woman enslaved to be
>>>>>> the Angel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition!
>>>>>
>>>>> ...though with that title, maybe I should have.
>>>>
>>>> The Gaza genocide guy's father, Polish Jew Benzion Mileikowsky, alias
>>>> Benzion Netanyahu, wrote a book on the Spanish Inquisition entitled THE
>>>> ORIGINS OF THE INQUISITION IN FIFTEENTH CENTURY SPAIN:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Long story short, Sicut Judaeis prohibits Catholics from mistreating
>>>> Jews
>>>
>>> And the USSR had a wonderful constitution, full of respect for human
rights.
>>>
>>> Some Jews escaped the inquisition by pointing out that they had never in
>>> fact been baptized or claimed to be Catholic. The inquisition, obedient
>>> to the above, would then turn them over to the state, whereupon they
>>> were expelled from Spain, which I think counts as mistreatment.
>>> Especially as not all survived the expulsion.
>>>
>>> This although it was known that the Jewish community in Spain dated at
>>> least to the second century AD, and probably to some centuries BC,
>>> arriving with the Phoenicians. A much longer time then, than those
>>> noble Spanish who claimed Visigothic ancestry.
>>>
>>>
>>> and prohibits Jews from positions of cultural authority over
>>>> Catholics. The Inquisition exclusively applied only to Catholics. And,
>>>> from a papal perspective, once a Catholic always a Catholic, until
>>>> death.
>>>> Did some Spanish Jews convert to Catholicism solely because they
>>>> coveted cultural authority over Catholics? This contention creates
>>>> controversy.
>>>
>>>
>>> About as much controversy as the Flat Earth. But with added racism.
>>
>> Your followup certainly confirms controversy, no?
>
> No.
>
> If every time we correct someone who says something which is wrong means
> that the issue is a controversy, then all issues are controversies,
> which means that no issues are controversies.
>
> You may find Cecil Roth's "The Spanish Inquisition" enlightening. It is
> a old book (1937) written before the current state of Israel existed, it
> is well written, and short. Covers the origin and practice of the
> inquisition, and its persecution of Jews, Muslims, Protestants, and any
> kind of free thinker.
>
> Here's a story from the book. A Spanish aristocrat was well aware that
> his right-hand man was in reality Jewish. Unusually for his class, this
> didn't bother him. But one day he got news that the inquisition was
> taking an interest in his assistant. So, in an audience with other
> people so he could not speak openly, he said "Gomez, the onions begin to
> smell". Gomez left that night and made it safely to France.
>
> I've always wondered if that was a code phrase they had previously
> agreed to, or whether in the Spanish of that day that was a metaphor for
> something going wrong as in "There's something rotten in the state of
> Denmark", in English.
An associate tells me a somewhat similar story from familial lore. In
this case, "It's a good night to pick berries in the woods." was code
for "The Russians are coming! Skedaddle!! Double-quick!!!"
Yup, for real, seriously.
From my perspective, the probably pedestrian THE SPANISH INQUISITION
isn't the most interesting thing about Roth. It's his A LIFE OF MENASSEH
BEN ISRAEL: RABBI, PRINTER, AND DIPLOMAT, wherein Roth says:
within a generation or two, the marranos became assimilated
enough ... their worldly success was phenomenal ... they
almost controlled the economic life of the country ... made
fabulous fortunes as bankers and merchants ... thronged the
liberal professions ... the vast majority of Conversos
remained faithful at heart to the religion of their fathers
... Their Christianity was merely a mask ... They were
Christians in nothing, and Jews in everything but name.
Ironically, from your perspective, Roth himself is the source of the
rhetorical question: "Did some Spanish Jews convert to Catholicism
solely because they coveted cultural authority over Catholics?" Back
in the day fabulous fortunes were built upon Spanish usury, while
today's fabulous fortunes are built upon Anglo usury. History repeats
and so on.
From my perspective, the sole difference between enfant terrible
Trump and too many typical European aristocrats back in the day is:
Trump is not Catholic. History rhymes and so forth.
Anyhow, perhaps my Catholic eyes were never supposed to see Roth's
latter book? Beings it originates with The Jewish Publication Society
of America?
So, what's the verdict? Does Roth pander to his audience?
Your controversial opening makes you sound like "a genuine John Bull,
[who] holds to his [opinions], and in fact repeats them until he himself
believes them. That is an old English trick. [William] does not need to
perfect it, as it is one of the familiar tactics of British politics,
known to the entire world."
Perhaps you recognize the above as a paraphrase of Goebbels. History
believes in Goebbels, the great propagandist.
In reality, back in the day, Freud's nephew Bernays was the world's
most masterful manipulator. In this video, Bernays brags on the boob
tube about his mighty skills:
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