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   From: bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com   
      
   On 10/18/25 22:02, Your Name wrote:   
   > On 2025-10-19 02:20:29 +0000, Bobbie Sellers said:   
   >> On 10/18/25 14:46, Your Name wrote:   
   >>> On 2025-10-18 16:22:58 +0000, Paul S Person said:   
   >>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 08:54:48 -0700, Bobbie Sellers   
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>> On 10/17/25 05:47, Scott Dorsey wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> When somebody runs over a pedestrian it doesn't even make the   
   >>>>>> newspaper in   
   >>>>>> a big city.  It might make page three of the weekly paper here in   
   >>>>>> rural   
   >>>>>> Virginia, along with the article about the high schooler who got a   
   >>>>>> scholarship to Yale and the new hotdog shop opening.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> These days you are lucky to have a Newspaper in a major conurbation.   
   >>>>> The accidents are frequently covered on TV in San Francisco and   
   >>>>> sometimes the SF Chronicle will give the accident and susequent   
   >>>>> problems space especially if the term "DUI" comes up.  The   
   >>>>> incidents covered involving the driverless vehicles show that   
   >>>>> people are interferring with vehicles more often than vehicles are   
   >>>>> interfering with people. Auto-navigating Cars have not been   
   >>>>> designed to deal with anti-car protesters.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> An excellent illustration of the failure of programmers to consider   
   >>>> all the possibilities.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Kind of like when Microsoft decided that "640KB RAM was all anybody   
   >>>> could ever need".   
   >>>   
   >>> 640KB probably would be enough ... except that Microsloth keeps   
   >>> bloating their awful software.  :-p   
      
   	Certainly their software including OSes is awful but if you want a GUI then   
   you are going to have more to the OS than a program loader.  The AmigaOS was   
   more compact because a lot of the system was built into the machine. Windows   
   started from no GUI at all when it was based on MS-DOS.  A student down the   
   hall from my apartment knew that I used computers and asked for help which   
   I was able to give her based on my GEOS experience and Windows 3.11   
   did not seem much of an improvement on GEOS except for the fact that it   
   was being run from a hard disk.   
      
      
   >>>   
   >>> The Commodore 64 only had 64K of RAM, but is probably more than   
   >>> enough for the majority of users' needs (emails, web browsing, word   
   >>> processing, etc.)   
   >>   
   >>     We did not do email except thru BBS on the C=64. There was no Web   
   >> to browse.   
   >   
   > No, but there's no real reason the C64 couldn't do email and web   
   > browsing then (if it had existed) or even now ... other than the fact   
   > that websites have also become very over-bloated, and again mostly with   
   > gimmicky nonsense.   
      
   	The big reason that would not have worked out well was the very slow 1   
   MHz 8502 cpu. Later on accelerators would appear mostly for the VIC-1541   
   disk drive.   
   Since I had no room for it I got ride of the C=64 and its sucessor the   
   C=64/128   
   but the CPM and the GEOS were both slow and diskbound.  Even with the   
   marvelous   
   VIC-1581 disk drive which used 3.5 inch floppys.   
      
   	You could find a C=64 Usenet newsgroup in the past but the only one I see   
   now is an alt group.  But they even had an adapted Unix or Linux for it   
   a few   
   years back when I kept up with the 8-bitters. Memory expansion up to 512 KB   
   which was mostly useful for ram drives to speed thing up a very slight   
   degree.   
   I did bookkeeping on the C=64/C=64/128 using a C=64 program.  It could not   
   use any of the advanced hardware but was simple enough for me to use.   
      
   	Hard Drives were available for the C=64 if you had money to burn and   
   were clever enough to write the programs you would need to access that   
   space.  These were large devices about the half the size of a microwave   
   oven.   
   >> We did do word processing with inserted formatting.  People used it to   
   >> write games, other programs and so forth because it had for that time   
   >> excellent graphic capability.   
      
   	There is still a C=64 Demo scene I understand which uses machine level   
   language   
   to access the full capability of the custom chips on the computer.   
      
   >>   
   >>     The Amiga came along and it was not originally designed for   
   >> Internet use.   
   >> It did not even come with facilities for hard drive use.  i got a GVP+   
   >> SCSI host card with in the "+" room for 8 GB of ram on sims.  But   
   >> AmigaOS had a modular design and updates after AOS 1.3 added some   
   >> capability for hard drive use and for internet security. But AmigaOS   
   >> 3.9 did not have any memory management capabillity and the result was   
   >> you could not depend on a program like a text processor and a Web   
   >> browser running together without crashing.  It was very good at Web   
   >> browsing and Usenet and email. but again no memory management.  Memory   
   >> management was omitted in the adoption of TriOS to AmigaOS because it   
   >> was designed to run on a single 68000 CPU with graphics and sound   
   >> offloaded to co-processors. This design was made to be less expensive   
   >> to the consumer and to the builders of the Amiga hardware.   
      
   	AmigaOS was on a 3.5 inch floppy disk in 1.3 with a kickstarter disk to   
   load stuff   
   into the write once cache then loaded a Workbench disk to operate the   
   softwares. And   
   if I recall correctly in 3 disks total for the drivers.  I loaded   
   Workbench into a faster   
   rebootable ram disk for speed after I did my first hardware upgrade to   
   it which involved   
   removing a daughter board then inserting the memory board and replacing   
   the daughter   
   board.  In the process somehow the molded 68000 chip was cracked and I   
   had go   
   though some manuvers to replace it with a machined 68000 chip via a   
   worker trying   
   to hide his Amiga repair work from his 9-5 bosses.   
      
   >>   
   >>> Not that Microsloth are alone in bloating software - the original   
   >>> MacOS could run off a 400K / 800K floppy disk and still have room for   
   >>> your documents. Even on my ancient Mac, this MacOS now takes up   
   >>> around 47GB (including space used for things like caches). Similarly,   
   >>> software like Photoshop has become massive in size.   
   >>   
   >>     I don't call that bloatware but i use Linux.  I cannot run   
   >> Photoshop let alone afford it.   I got my C-64 new, my Amiga computers   
   >> were all at least second-hand. Memory chips/simms and Hard drives were   
   >> fabulously expensive and that was before inflation had set in hard.   
   >>   
   >>> In all cases, the majority of people don't even know about, let alone   
   >>> use, all the gimmicks in the software.   
   >>   
   >>     Of course not. Most people do not realize the possibilities of image   
   >> modifications.   
   	Nor do they attempt to write books or compile .pdf files for whatever   
   reason.   
      
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