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   From: psperson@old.netcom.invalid   
      
   On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:35:28 -0400, Cryptoengineer   
    wrote:   
      
   >On 10/23/2025 12:14 PM, Paul S Person wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 21:25:09 -0400, Cryptoengineer   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>    
   >>    
   >>    
   >>> Some attacks just aren't worth the effort - have  you *ever* heard of   
   >>> someone doing this?   
   >>>   
   >>> I have heat pumps - one is controlled by short range IR remotes, and   
   >>> the other by a wall panel.   
   >>>   
   >>> I would not put them on WiFi, but not because I'm worried about someone   
   >>> futzing with the temperature. I'm suspicious of the 'Internet of Things'   
   >>> devices made by companies with zero notion of security. There are WiFi   
   >>> 'smart bulbs' that will leak your WiFi password.   
   >>>   
   >>> I spent too long in the cybersecurity world to attach random devices   
   >>> to my network.   
   >>    
   >> Now /here/ is something on the topic of interest to me that makes   
   >> sense.   
   >>    
   >> If it is true that the temps are intended to be "set once, leave   
   >> forever", I think the entire issue becomes ... moot.   
   >   
   >The one on the wall panel gets cranked up and down a bit - it's   
   >for my bedroom as well as my office, and I prefer to sleep warmer   
   >than I like it during the day.   
   >   
   >The other is in the family room, and I tend to economize whan I'm   
   >not in there.   
   >   
   >So, they do get changed, but WiFi would be overkill.   
      
   The assertion of the article was that that does /not/ economize   
   compared to leaving the temp the same all the time.   
      
   But I am so used to being able to set two temps (one for day and one   
   for night -- when I was working, I extended "night" to include most of   
   the day (the anologue selector used plastic pins to flip things on and   
   off, and had four sets so a day could be divided into four parts) --   
   that I might want to do the same with a heat pump. It's hard to say   
   when I don't have one.   
      
   My trusty thermostat runs two wires to the furnace. It would need a   
   third for A/C. And a new thermostat intended to work with A/C. Perhaps   
   Ethernet-over-power would be a good choice, if both the heat pump   
   control panel (presumably attached to the device like a wart) and the   
   thermostat can do Ethernet. But all this is pure speculation at this   
   point. My experience with home heating is that I will be buying a   
   pig-in-a-poke anyway, and will just have to adapt to it.   
   --    
   "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,   
   Who evil spoke of everyone but God,   
   Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"   
      
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