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|    Ted Nolan |
|    RI June, July & August 2025 (6/6)    |
|    26 Oct 25 21:30:06    |
      [continued from previous message]               stability in the region. Moreover, the trouble then had        come from the north-west (present-day Poland and Byelorussia),        not the north-east (modern Ukraine). The last time the        north-east had posed a problem was when the Sarmatians had        swept all before them in the fifty years either side of the        birth of Christ, three centuries earlier. But the Romans        quickly learned the error of their ways.               In the summer of 376, a vast throng of people -- men, women        and children -- suddenly appeared on the north bank of the        River Danube asking for safe haven in Roman territory. One        source, not our best, reports that 200,000 refugees appeared        beside the river; Ammianus, that there were too many to        count. They came with innumerable wagons and the animals        to pull them, presumably their plough-oxen, in the kind of        huge procession that warfare has generated throughout        history. There were certainly many individual refugees and        small family groups, but the vast majority were Goths        organized in two compact masses and with defined political        leaderships. My own best guess is that each was composed        of about 10,000 warriors. One group, the Greuthungi, had        already moved a fair distance from lands east of the River        Dniester, in the present-day Ukraine, hundreds of ilometres        from the Danube. The other comprised the majority of        Athanaric's Tervingi, now led by Alavivus and Fritigern,        who had broken away from their former leader's control to        come here to the river.2               If the size of the immediate problem for Roman frontier        security was bad enough, the refugees' identity was even        more ominous. Though the first reports had concerned fighting        a long way from the frontier zone, the two large bodies of        Gothic would-be immigrants camped beside the river were        from much closer to home. The Tervingi, in particular, had        been occupying lands immediately north of the Danube, in        what is now Wallachia and Moldavia, since the 310s at the        latest. Whatever was going on in the far north-east was no        local skirmish; its effects were being felt throughout the        region north of the Black Sea.               The Romans quickly learned what lay behind all the mayhem.        Again in Ammianus' words: 'The seed-bed and origin of all        this destruction and of the various calamities inflicted        by the wrath of Mars, which raged everywhere with extraordinary        fury, I find to be this: the people of the Huns.'              Heather makes the point that the Romans had a well-established       procedure for bringing refugee groups, including men-under-arms       into the Empire, and goes into why they were not able to follow the       procedure here, and how it still *almost* worked.              In fact there are a number of *almost* points in the book, which       would server (and probably have served) as jumping off points for       alternate histories. In particular, Heather makes the point that       the kife-blow to the Western Empire was the loss of North Africa       to the Vandals. Rather surprisingly (to me) this region of very       little economic importance today, was the economic engine of the       Western Emperors, and its loss left them unable to maintain the       apparatus of the State (particularly the Army, of course). In fact       there were two *almost*-s here. Once the West was putting together       a joint expedition with Constantinople which had to be scrapped       when the East came under threat, and second, after the fall of the       West, Constantinople tried a naval expedition that seems to have       failed due to maritime incompetence as much as anything else.              Along the way, Heather makes interesting points about the Romans &       the Germans (in his view the loss to Arminius was not a game changer       and the Romans simply later rationally decided that conquering       Germany would bring in very little benefit compared to the cost),       and the economy of the post-Domation Romain economy (in his view       it had *not* been over-stressed to meet the Persian menace, but       according to fairly recent archeological finds, remained vibrant       into and through the start of the troubles). There are also       entertaining stories about the envoy from Constantinople to the Huns       who was unaware that he was the beard for a mission to assassinate       Atilla, and the stuck-up Roman orator who got humbled by a Provincial       (although in Heather's opinion, the Empire was really good at making       Provincials, at least the land-owning class, into actual Romans)       --       columbiaclosings.com       What's not in Columbia anymore..              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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