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   From: YourName@YourISP.com   
      
   On 2025-10-27 17:24:42 +0000, Bobbie Sellers said:   
   > On 10/27/25 08:14, Paul S Person wrote:   
   >> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 16:19:44 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)   
   >> wrote:   
   >>> Paul S Person  writes:   
   >>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 12:09:22 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott   
   >>>> Dorsey) wrote:   
   >>>>> Paul S Person   wrote:   
   >>>>>> Well, except perhaps for HP. I am wondering what to do with the HP   
   >>>>>> Envy drive: since the power button died, I had no opportunity to use   
   >>>>>> Eraser on it. Removing it and putting it into an enclosure would be an   
   >>>>>> option -- and give me another 2TB drive unless I decided to put it   
   >>>>>> back in the HP Envy and buy another drive for the enclosure. But   
   >>>>>> whether this would work or whether the drive would turn out to be   
   >>>>>> specially manufactured for HP and not work with an encloure is   
   >>>>>> unclear. I /have/ read reports indicating that this is a problem --   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> HP and Dell have some model drives with special firmware that get   
   >>>>> checked by the bios, which will refuse to accept non-native drives.   
   >>>>> The HP drives will work on other machines, but if you want to put a   
   >>>>> SATA drive on the HP machine it has to be HP-branded.  HP Gen9=20   
   >>>>> servers are like this, Gen8 and Gen7 are not.  I know nothing about   
   >>>>> desktops but I know far too much about HP.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That's encouraging.=20   
   >>>   
   >>> Note that the systems Scott is referring to are high-end servers,   
   >>> not home user systems.       The high-end servers from HP, DELL,   
   >>> et alia. are designed for high availability, hot spares and   
   >>> long life.   That means that they often provide modified disk   
   >>> drive firmware (or contract with the disk manufacturer to add   
   >>> capabilities to the standard firmware) which is used for various   
   >>> RAS[*] reasons.  The servers generally have a dozen hot-plug drive bays,   
   >>> redundant power supplies, and hot-plugable CPU cards.   
   >>>   
   >>> [*] Reliability, Availability and Serviceability.   
   >>>   
   >>> Datacenters have thousands of these servers, mostly managed   
   >>> remotely (aside from an on-site technician to manually swap   
   >>> drives or CPUs, or replace a power supply).   The UEFI   
   >>> firmware is significantly different from consumer grade hardware   
   >>> and is key to the RAS support.   
   >>   
   >> So, is a hard drive from a plebeian home system likely to work inside   
   >> a plebeian hard drive enclosure purchased on Amazon?   
   >>   
   >> That's the question here, after all.   
   >   
   > 		As along as you match up the drive and interface in the purchased box   
   >   you should have no problems.  That is if the drive is ide you have to have   
   an   
   >   ide to USB interface.  Or if a SATA drive then a SATA to USB interface.   
      
   Or, you can get one of the multi-adaptor options that have two or more   
   different interfaces (although usually they're for plugging in bare   
   drives, rather than a nice looking encolsure box). I've got one of my   
   external drives plugged into a device that can handle two types of   
   drives, including both at the same time.  :-)   
      
      
      
   > 	I have assemble my own external drives for years but it is easier now than   
   > when it was 50 pin scsi to 50 pin scsi.   
   > 	The only caveat I can see it that you have to use anti-static measures   
   > to avoid component damage.   
   >   
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