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   Lynn McGuire to Paul S Person   
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   31 Oct 25 14:10:26   
   
   From: lynnmcguire5@gmail.com   
      
   On 10/31/2025 11:44 AM, Paul S Person wrote:   
   > On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:50:02 -0500, Lynn McGuire   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >    
   >> “The lawsuit, which is part of the first wave of AI copyright cases,   
   >> revolves around three main arguments. Firstly, the authors claim that   
   >> OpenAI’s training of AI models on copyrighted books constitutes   
   >> infringement. Secondly, they allege that the company engaged in the   
   >> practice of pirating books from shadow libraries, regardless of whether   
   >> these books were used for training purposes. Lastly, the plaintiffs   
   >> argue that the answers generated by ChatGPT, OpenAI’s chatbot, are   
   >> substantially similar to the books on which they were trained.”   
   >   
   >    
   >   
   >> So does this mean that all book reviewers are infringing the author’s   
   >> copyright ?  I think not.   
   >   
   > Book reviewers are covered by fair use. Which does not encompass   
   > copying entire books into the review (I suspect).   
   >   
   > But it would be infringement (I suspect) if one asked the AI for a   
   > /review/ and it instead produced /the entire work/.   
   >   
   > On another newsgroup, we heard complaints from a person who had   
   > laboriously restructured one of JRRTs works into a different format.   
   > (I forget the details.)  The Estate successfully claimed it would   
   > infringe if publshed and they would not approve it.   
   >   
   > He was advised by another person who had had a similar experience to   
   > do what that person had done: include so much of his own material that   
   > the JRRT bits were "incidental" and so satisfied "fair use".   
   >   
   > OTOH, if they regularly used online libraries of /illegal copies/ of   
   > books, then they may have committed copyright infringement regardless   
   > of whether they used them for training purposes or not. At $150K per   
   > occurrence.   
      
   I am getting a lot of downloads of the five software manuals and the   
   marketing materiel that my people and I have written over the long   
   years.  1,500 pages of highly technical info, I am surprised that the AI   
   programmers find it useful.   
       https://www.winsim.com/doco.html   
   and   
       https://www.winsim.com/newsletters.html   
      
   Lynn   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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