From: psperson@old.netcom.invalid   
      
   On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 14:10:26 -0500, Lynn McGuire   
    wrote:   
      
   >On 10/31/2025 11:44 AM, Paul S Person wrote:   
   >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:50:02 -0500, Lynn McGuire   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>    
   >>    
   >>> “The lawsuit, which is part of the first wave of AI copyright cases,   
   >>> revolves around three main arguments. Firstly, the authors claim that   
   >>> OpenAI’s training of AI models on copyrighted books constitutes   
   >>> infringement. Secondly, they allege that the company engaged in the   
   >>> practice of pirating books from shadow libraries, regardless of whether   
   >>> these books were used for training purposes. Lastly, the plaintiffs   
   >>> argue that the answers generated by ChatGPT, OpenAI’s chatbot, are   
   >>> substantially similar to the books on which they were trained.”   
   >>    
   >>    
   >>    
   >>> So does this mean that all book reviewers are infringing the author’s   
   >>> copyright ?  I think not.   
   >>    
   >> Book reviewers are covered by fair use. Which does not encompass   
   >> copying entire books into the review (I suspect).   
   >>    
   >> But it would be infringement (I suspect) if one asked the AI for a   
   >> /review/ and it instead produced /the entire work/.   
   >>    
   >> On another newsgroup, we heard complaints from a person who had   
   >> laboriously restructured one of JRRTs works into a different format.   
   >> (I forget the details.)  The Estate successfully claimed it would   
   >> infringe if publshed and they would not approve it.   
   >>    
   >> He was advised by another person who had had a similar experience to   
   >> do what that person had done: include so much of his own material that   
   >> the JRRT bits were "incidental" and so satisfied "fair use".   
   >>    
   >> OTOH, if they regularly used online libraries of /illegal copies/ of   
   >> books, then they may have committed copyright infringement regardless   
   >> of whether they used them for training purposes or not. At $150K per   
   >> occurrence.   
   >   
   >I am getting a lot of downloads of the five software manuals and the    
   >marketing materiel that my people and I have written over the long    
   >years.  1,500 pages of highly technical info, I am surprised that the AI    
   >programmers find it useful.   
   >    https://www.winsim.com/doco.html   
   >and   
   >    https://www.winsim.com/newsletters.html   
      
   Perhaps they find the grammar and syntax so good that it helps.   
      
   Or maybe they just don't care.   
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   Who evil spoke of everyone but God,   
   Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"   
      
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