XPost: rec.arts.comics.strips   
   From: bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com   
      
   On 12/26/25 08:44, Paul S Person wrote:   
   > On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 08:48:17 -0500 (EST), kludge@panix.com (Scott   
   > Dorsey) wrote:   
   >   
   >> Thomas Koenig   wrote:   
   >>> And the tarrifs broke the company's back. This is also mentioned   
   >>> in the article that you quoted, by the way.   
   >>   
   >> Vietnam tariffs on electronics aren't quite as bad.   
   >>   
   >> I make a thing that uses a switch.  The switch costs $3.10 each from China,   
   >> now with a $1.10 tariff added.  (These are Q1000 prices since I am just a   
   small   
   >> operation.)   
   >>   
   >> I went looking for an equivalent... and a company in Vietnam makes a similar   
   >> product, and switches from Vietnam are not tariffed at all, but they are   
   >> almost $9 each which is a problem, and I don't think the quality is as good   
   >> as the Chinese ones.   
   >>   
   >> Likewise board fab in China is now being tariffed at a pretty high rate (to   
   >> the point where the big prototype board company JLC is no longer accepting   
   >> orders from the US because they don't want to be bothered with the customs   
   >> mess), but there's no tariff on board fab from Vietnam.  Board fab is kind   
   of   
   >> an odd duck since most of the cost of board fab in the US and Vietnam is   
   >> waste disposal, while in China they just drop all the heavy metal waste   
   >> into a sump in the basement.  So it's very hard for anyone with sane   
   >> disposal laws to compete with the Chinese.   
   >   
   > Just thought I should point out that those "sane disposal laws" are   
   > /exactly/ the sort of thing rabid idealizers of unfettered capitalism   
   > oppose.   
   >   
   > Well, they would be putting them in the nearest river, if possible.   
   >   
   > Raw, unfettered, capitalism is, indeed, a bitch.   
   >   
   >> So, I do see some of these tariffs possibly pushing some production out   
   >> of China and into Vietnam and Thailand in the future, but I don't see it   
   >> doing anything other than hurting customers right now.   
   >   
   > If by "customers" you mean people in your situation (and you are,   
   > indeed, a customer), that's fine.   
   >   
   > But I am not reading articles stating "95% of MAGA rejects Trump's   
   > tariffs because they raise the price they have to pay at the store".   
      
      
   	No percentages but some MAGA are waking up to the price of beef at   
   the supermarket as well as other frequently purchased products.  This was   
   one of the candidate's main talking points during the campaign.   
      
   >   
   > Nor am I seeing any riots on this topic on true-red MAGA streets.   
   > Which I would expect if they were causing severe heartburn.   
      
   	Oh for heartburn plenty of advertised products.   
   	Some people just are not smart enought to avoid foods that give   
   them heartburn.  I don't know if any stats would show that MAGA |   
   versus Democrats would be much different.   
      
   	The only people not affected by Trumpian Inflation prices are the   
   very well off folks who got Trumpian tax cuts in 2017 renewed in 2025.   
      
   >   
   > Or anything like that. When I do find articles on the topic, they are   
   > usually some Great Expert assuring us that they are a problem.   
   >   
   > I, myself, am basically unaffected. Of course, some prices rise from   
   > time to time. But they have done so my entire life (a candy bar   
   > costing 5-cents now costs -- well, I don't know how much; I stopped   
   > buying them when I retired they were at $1.20 but that's over 50 years   
   > or so). What I am /not/ seeing is a sudden across-the-board 10% jump.   
   > And my expenditures are still within what passes for me as the   
   > expected amount.   
   	   
   	I don't eat candy bars very often as they often contain ingredients   
   which give me problems worse that heart burn but i eat bars that contain   
   85% cocoa and they only contribute less than 80 calories/day to my   
   diet and contain nothing that bothers me.   
      
   >   
   > I am seeing availablity problems reminiscent of the supply chain   
   > problems during the pandemic. Perhaps ICE is arresting/deporting truck   
   > drivers who "look like a Mexican" and so producing supply-chain   
   > issues.   
      
   		Yes and the price of some fruit has moved out of my price range.   
   I suspect part of that is tariff and part is the unwillingness of   
   drivers to risk   
   ICE idiocy.  I know from news reports including the testimony of growers   
   that they are not getting the workers that they need for harvest because   
   the   
   workers are fearful of ICE which does not apparently give a damn if the   
   people   
   whom they are arresting are American Citizens or non-citizens with green   
   cards.   
      
   	bliss   
      
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