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   From: dtravel@sonic.net   
      
   On 12/26/2025 1:39 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:   
   > Paul S Person   wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 08:48:17 -0500 (EST), kludge@panix.com (Scott   
   >> Dorsey) wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> mess), but there's no tariff on board fab from Vietnam.  Board fab is =   
   >> kind of   
   >>> an odd duck since most of the cost of board fab in the US and Vietnam is=   
   >> =20   
   >>> waste disposal, while in China they just drop all the heavy metal waste=20   
   >>> into a sump in the basement.  So it's very hard for anyone with sane=20   
   >>> disposal laws to compete with the Chinese.   
   >>   
   >> Just thought I should point out that those "sane disposal laws" are   
   >> /exactly/ the sort of thing rabid idealizers of unfettered capitalism   
   >> oppose.   
   >   
   > Yes, and this is what governments exist for... to prevent the despoiling   
   > of the commons.   
   >   
   > Right now we're still paying lots of money to clean up the waste from   
   > industry in Pittsburgh back in the fifties.  It's much cheaper to control   
   > the waste today than to kick the can down the road, but since someone else   
   > will be paying it later down the road corporations with a short-term   
   > outlook don't care.   
   >   
   > Governments exist in part to deal with the long-term outlook.   
   >   
   >> Raw, unfettered, capitalism is, indeed, a bitch.   
   >   
   > I am very much in favor of capitalism... but it is in the best interest of   
   > individual capitalists to eliminate competition and therefore eliminate   
   > capitalism itself which is dependent on competition to work.  This is why   
   > it all collapses unless it has government support.   
   >   
   > I think what you mean by "raw, unfettered" is what is classically called   
   > "laissez-faire."   
   >   
   >>> So, I do see some of these tariffs possibly pushing some production out   
   >>> of China and into Vietnam and Thailand in the future, but I don't see it   
   >>> doing anything other than hurting customers right now.   
   >>   
   >> If by "customers" you mean people in your situation (and you are,   
   >> indeed, a customer), that's fine.=20   
   >>   
   >> But I am not reading articles stating "95% of MAGA rejects Trump's   
   >> tariffs because they raise the price they have to pay at the store".=20   
   >   
   > It's raising the prices they have to pay at the store, and it is hurting   
   > them.  The fact that they aren't up in arms about it is a different issue.   
      
   Largely because they think that they will actually be allowed to vote   
   for someone OTHER than Trump in 2028.  (Or whichever of his successors   
   survives the knives if Trump dies before then.)   
      
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