From: g@crcomp.net   
      
   Charles Packer wrote:   
   > Scott Dorsey wrote:   
   >> Charles Packer wrote:   
   >>> Scott Dorsey wrote:   
   >>>> Paul S Person wrote:   
   >>>>>This doesn't mean some physics theories don't have mathematics that   
   >>>>>/require/ different dimensions, though. Or at least are easier to use   
   >>>>>if different dimensions are posited.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> There is a longstanding tradition of this.  Many people posited that   
   >>>> it was much easier to do the math by pretending that the earth   
   >>>> actually went around the sun instead if the other way around.  What   
   >>>> got Galileo in trouble was claming that it actually did.   
   >>>>   
   >>>I hadn't heard this before. Could you identify one of these many people   
   >>>or cite a source for the assertion?   
   >>   
   >> Well, Copernicus is the obvious answer to that one, but a number of   
   >> folks followed him.   
   >> --scott   
   >   
   > Of course I know about Copernicus, but he didn't just "pretend"   
   > heliocentrism; he proposed it as an actual fact, didn't he?   
      
   It's my understanding Galileo's brouhaha began with a lack of evidence.   
   A pamphlet from my Catholic church says it this way:   
      
       There is no evidence that, when Galileo acceded to the   
       Inquisition's demand that he formally renounce the view   
       that the Earth moves, he muttered under his breath,   
       eppur si muove, "but still it moves." What continues to   
       move, despite the historical evidence, is the legend of   
       a fundamental conflict between science and religion.   
       There was a conflict between Galileo and the Inquisition,   
       but it was a conflict between those who shared common   
       first principles about the nature of scientific truth   
       and the complementarity between science and religion.   
       In the absence of scientific knowledge that the Earth   
       moves, Galileo was required to affirm that it did not.   
       However unwise it was to insist on such a requirement,   
       the Inquisition did not ask Galileo to choose between   
       science and faith.   
      
       GALILEO by Carroll   
      
   Another Catholic says it this way:   
      
       Scientism and the Galileo myth. Another example of 'The Science'   
       and its mendacity and propaganda.   
      
       The Religion of The Science, or Scientism, does not suffer   
       competitors or doubts.   
      
       ... According to our modern education hagiography, the following is   
       'true' about Galilei Galileo:   
      
       1. Proved heliocentricity (it took some 200 hundred years after   
          Galileo, before some proofs were offered, namely stellar   
          parallax and light aberration which can also be explained by   
          the Tychonic model, as covered in other posts)   
       2. Invented the telescope   
       3. Discovered Sunspots   
       4. Identified comets   
       5. Dropped weights from the leaning tower of Pisa proving the   
          'law' of accelerated gravity   
       6. Invented the incline plane to prove that an object falling   
          down an incline will roll up an incline for the same distance   
          as the declination   
       7. Discovered the important properties of a pendulum   
       8. Based on the pendulum discovered time keeping   
       9. Was the first to push 'experimental science’   
      
       Busy guy.  Except that none of the above is true (Kuhn, p. 10).   
       Galileo did not invent the telescope and his customised production   
       was largely inferior to that of Kepler's.  He did not prove   
       heliocentricity whatsoever (more below).  It is unlikely he   
       performed the weight dropping experiment, nor did he discover the   
       attributes of a swinging pendulum, the incline motion of an object   
       proceeding from a declination; nor did he uncover secrets leading   
       to time keeping or navigation.   
      
       Christopher Scheiner discovered Sunspots.  Jesuits long before   
       Galileo had traced and explained the life cycle of comets, contrary   
       to Galileo's claim that they were ephemeral.  Scientific   
       experimentation using defined methods dates to at least the 12th   
       century. Galileo was the same character who yelled and pounded his   
       desk that the moon had an atmosphere. It doesn’t and if you landed   
       on it, you wouldn’t survive more than 10 minutes due to radiation   
       exposure. ...   
      
       A key factor which hindered Galileo was a personality which though   
       innovative, was too often narcissistic, egocentric, stubborn,   
       rough and imprudent.  This was true in his general disregard for   
       others and their opinions throughout his career.  This usually   
       generates more enemies than friends. ...   
      
      
      
   In my humble opinion the Catholic church's empirical guardrails help   
   keep scientific inquiry on track. Without empirical guardrails you end   
   up with fantastical god particles, for instance.   
       THE HIGGS FAKE by Unzicker tells the tale of the god particle's   
   aimless inception. In a nutshell, Unzicker blames the stagnation of   
   particle physics since Einstein's annus mirabilis on too much math and   
   too little empiricism.   
      
   Danke,   
      
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