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   Robert Woodward to All   
   Various YASID (mostly non-SF) (1/2)   
   12 Jan 26 22:08:01   
   
   From: robertaw@drizzle.com   
      
   I have been, time from to time, been reminded of books that I had read   
   decades ago but could not remember authors or titles. For example, a few   
   weeks ago I was reading decades old posts on forums devoted on board   
   war-games (commercially published games that try to model military   
   operations - publishers of note in the 70-90s include Avalon Hill, SPI,   
   GDW, Clash of Arms, and West End Games), in this case games on the   
   American Civil War. One post mentioned that there weren't very many   
   games based on the Trans-Mississippi Theater   
   (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Mississippi_theater_of_the_American_   
   Civil_War) and I remember that I had once read a novel based in that   
   theater. A few days later, another post on the forum mentioned   
   Brigadier-General Stand Watie, a Cherokee who was the last CSA general   
   to surrender (the Indian Territory was a bit remote). I found a   
   Wikipedia article on him which also included various references to him   
   in popular culture, including   
   (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifles_for_Watie), which I believe was   
   the book I had read 6 decades ago (while the description includes much I   
   don't remember, it also includes everything I do remember). _RfW_ also   
   was a 1958 Newbery Medal winner, which would make it a very reasonable   
   book to find in a high school library or in the young adult section of a   
   public library.   
      
   Because of this success, I have decided to assemble a description, the   
   best I can remember, of other such titles. Unless stated otherwise, I   
   believe that I read them in the early to mid 1960s (some have been   
   mentioned in earlier posts). The first two are SF; the third one might   
   be, the rest are not (but even reduced as it is now, the readership of   
   r.a.sf.w appears to well-read).   
      
   1) This story had time travelers who manipulated time by changing events   
   in the past (and thus generate a new timeline). The story also had a   
   character (non-time traveller) who remembered the erased timelines   
   (IIRC, he, on occasion, couldn't find books he remembered reading   
   because they had been written in the erased timeline and not the new   
   one). I also remember that the last time manipulation that the time   
   travelers performed in the book erased a time line where that character   
   had been murdered. In the new one, he was still alive and he did   
   remember being killed. BTW, sometime during the book, the time travelers   
   became aware of him.   
      
   2) Sometime in the late 1950s (I would only been 8 or 9 at the time), I   
   found a box of magazines in a closet (might have been issues of the   
   Saturday Evening Post or Colliers). One of them had a story of a colony   
   on Mars (I remember an illustration with a flying vehicle approaching a   
   dome beside what looks like a canal). I vaguely remember it being a two   
   part serial (but I might be wrong) and I also vaguely remember scenes in   
   a cave system (and again, I might be wrong). I looked through the ISFDB   
   entries for both magazines and didn't see anything that sparked a memory.   
      
   3) I remember very little of this one (I might have read it before   
   1960). IIRC, the protagonist was a guard for a prison/camp for violent   
   mutants (perhaps they weren't mutants, in which case this story wasn't   
   SF). One of the prisoners was a good looking woman about the same age as   
   the guard. It was eventually revealed the reason she had been classified   
   as violent was the vigor of her objection to sexual harassment (or   
   perhaps it was attempted rape, I might not had recognized the euphemism   
   that was used) by a guard at her previous prison/camp. I don't think it   
   was set during WWII at an internment camp, but I could be wrong.   
      
   4) This novel, IIRC, starts in Boston (probably in the 1950s). Our   
   protagonist was a big winner in a poker game; the big loser was a   
   fisherman from Sweden (and ownership of his boat is in question). The   
   protagonist reassures the fisherman; he has a plan. He approaches his   
   former college professor (somewhat cautiously, because he and the   
   professor's daughter had once been very friendly, so much so that she   
   left town to "visit an aunt" - I don't know what happened to the baby, I   
   suspect it was given up for adoption). The professor accepts the   
   proposal and our protagonist, the professor, the professor's daughter   
   (who is not interested in her old boyfriend at all) and the fisherman   
   sail off on the boat to Sweden to search for the tomb of Beowulf. The   
   port they land at (which might be the fisherman's home port) is in the   
   southern part of Sweden, the part that belonged to Denmark centuries   
   ago. A mound that might be the tomb of Beowulf is found, but they also   
   found an old, but still maintained tunnel into the treasure chamber   
   which didn't have much treasure left. The professor and his former   
   student conclude that it was a multi-generational family secret piggy   
   bank that had been used from time to time to pay for things, perhaps   
   even a fishing boat.   
      
   5) I remember this book as having 2 threads, but it is possible that the   
   second thread exists only in my imagination. It is set in a manor on the   
   east edge of the Nile Delta, probably in the period between the Egyptian   
   revolt against the Persian Empire and the reconquest (404 BC to 343 BC)   
   or possibly during the Ptolemaic Dynasty. I say this because of   
   references to what I think was the original Persian conquest. The   
   protagonist is a daughter, IIRC, of the lord of manor (I might be wrong   
   about her father's status, but I think she was at least 10 years old,   
   not a servant and I think she would had been a servant if her parents   
   were servants). I don't remember much about the plot other than the   
   manor was close to where a son of King of the Hittites was ambushed,   
   killed, and buried (IIRC, there was mention of a letter of the widow of   
   a pharaoh to the Hittite king for a son for her to marry, BTW, Hittite   
   archives mention this whole affair). The second thread, if it existed,   
   was an archeological dig of a manor on the east edge of the Nile Delta   
   (same manor of course).   
      
   6) An adventurer (IIRC, Danish) is hired by a great power to go look   
   into things in a newly independent nation (I can't remember what   
   suspicions his contact had). So he goes there and somehow ends up in a   
   lowly populated area of one district whose population who were trying to   
   set up a separate district. He discovers intrigues by a second great   
   power. I can't remember how that intrigue was defeated in the story.   
   BTW, the setting is in the mid 1780s, the first great power was Great   
   Britain, the second was Spain, and the newly independent nation was of   
   course, the United States of America. Most of the action was the aborted   
   state of Franklin (which contained what is now 12 counties in east   
   Tennessee). I don't know of very many novels that mention the state of   
   Franklin (_Joyleg_ was one and I think it was mentioned in a Hardy Boys   
   book of all things).   
      
   7) I read this around 1970 - the book was set up something like the   
      
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