From: ldo@nz.invalid   
      
   On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 14:54:33 -0000 (UTC), Don wrote:   
      
   >     GALILEO by Carroll   
   >     ...   
   >     There was a conflict between Galileo and the Inquisition,   
   >     but it was a conflict between those who shared common   
   >     first principles about the nature of scientific truth   
   >     and the complementarity between science and religion.   
      
   There is only “complementarity” between science and religion if you   
   believe that there is some kind of “complementarity” between paying   
   attention to evidence and disregarding it.   
      
   >     In the absence of scientific knowledge that the Earth   
   >     moves, Galileo was required to affirm that it did not.   
   >     However unwise it was to insist on such a requirement,   
   >     the Inquisition did not ask Galileo to choose between   
   >     science and faith.   
      
   He was shown the instruments of torture. If that’s not asking him to   
   make a choice (in a not-so-subtle way, at that), I don’t know what is.   
      
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