From: dtravel@sonic.net   
      
   On 1/19/2026 8:23 AM, Paul S Person wrote:   
   > On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 21:41:02 -0800, Dimensional Traveler   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 1/18/2026 1:26 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:   
   >>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 09:58:44 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> Did I not say they are human and make lots of mistakes expecially   
   >>>> when they feel the organization is being challenged?   
   >>>   
   >>> But they claimed then, and claim now, to be following the dictates of   
   >>> a deity who cannot make mistakes.   
   >>   
   >> The usual hand-wavium response to that is "we simple humans don't   
   >> understand God's plan".  In other words, its all our fault, never God's.   
   >   
   > Which is almost correct.   
   >   
   > What we don't understand is that God works through secondary causes,   
   > and secondary causes can fail. So what God wants and what God gets can   
   > be two different things.   
   >   
   But that would make God fallible which if emphatically NOT what the   
   Christian churches teach.  The bible has some passage about God noting   
   the fall of every sparrow and such, so no way God does not get what God   
   wants.   
      
   This also touches on "Why is there evil?"  If God can end evil why   
   hasn't God?  And if God can't then the god "you" are worshiping is NOT   
   the creator of the universe.   
      
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   dirty old man.   
      
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