From: wthyde1953@gmail.com   
      
   Paul S Person wrote:   
   > On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 18:38:49 -0800, Dimensional Traveler   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 1/19/2026 8:23 AM, Paul S Person wrote:   
   >>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 21:41:02 -0800, Dimensional Traveler   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 1/18/2026 1:26 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 09:58:44 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Did I not say they are human and make lots of mistakes expecially   
   >>>>>> when they feel the organization is being challenged?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But they claimed then, and claim now, to be following the dictates of   
   >>>>> a deity who cannot make mistakes.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The usual hand-wavium response to that is "we simple humans don't   
   >>>> understand God's plan".  In other words, its all our fault, never God's.   
   >>>   
   >>> Which is almost correct.   
   >>>   
   >>> What we don't understand is that God works through secondary causes,   
   >>> and secondary causes can fail. So what God wants and what God gets can   
   >>> be two different things.   
   >>>   
   >> But that would make God fallible which if emphatically NOT what the   
   >> Christian churches teach.  The bible has some passage about God noting   
   >> the fall of every sparrow and such, so no way God does not get what God   
   >> wants.   
   >   
   > It makes God /disappointed/.   
      
      
   God has chosen to work through secondary causes, which may fail.  Thus   
   god has chosen to allow failure, when he could have avoided it.   
      
   There's no getting away from omnipotence.   
      
     The typical result is to try, try again.   
   > And you may want to review the different types of "causes" in   
   > classical thought; we tend to only use one.   
   >   
   > A lot of formal theology dates back to Aristotle's views on what a God   
   > must be and how a God must behave. Aristotle's musings are not   
   > authoritative, at least for Protestants.   
   >   
   > But the real issue here is whether or not God is /responsible/ for   
   > evil. Per Gen 3, he is not: Man is.   
      
   Reminds me of bullies throughout the ages.  It's always the victim's fault.   
      
   William Hyde   
      
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