From: psperson@old.netcom.invalid   
      
   On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 12:28:31 -0800, Bobbie Sellers   
    wrote:   
      
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   >On 2/12/26 09:27, Stefan Ram wrote:   
   >> Ignatios Souvatzis  wrote or quoted:   
   >>> At least from the Middle-eastern monotheistic ones, easily: an all-knowing,   
   >>> all-observing God isn't possible with a finite speed of light.   
   >>    
   >>    Well, once one starts to assume something for which there are   
   >>    no observations ("god"), one then can as well assume that he   
   >>    is all-knowing by some kind of magic that does not need light.   
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   >>    
   >   
   >	Well part of God is in this Universe and part in the place/time/region   
   >from which the materials for the Big Bang emerged. God is everywhere in   
   >this universe and in everything to keep it in existence.  If you want to    
   >believe   
   >in a God which is sort of not needed in most science aside from Theology.   
      
   That is probably the most cogent statement of transendent and   
   imminanent I have seen in a long time. Also the Ground of Being   
   concept. But the usual doctrine is creation /ex nihilo/, "out of   
   nothing", so no materials required.   
      
   Later Platonists and Gnostics believed our reality was formed by a   
   really dumb low-level Archon out of some evil stuff, called "matter",   
   but that is not a Christian doctrine in most places. (The stuff was   
   "evil" because only the One is Good and the matter was /not/ an   
   emanation of the One.) But that is not the Big Bang.   
      
   >	I am an Agnostic Deist myself because I don't know if any entity to which   
   >the label G*d could be attached exists ourside of our human imaginations.   
   >Worse I do not care much about the question any longer.   
      
   A lot of people feel that way, whether they admit or not.   
   --    
   "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,   
   Who evil spoke of everyone but God,   
   Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)