From: psperson@old.netcom.invalid
On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 11:09:36 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
wrote:
>On 2/14/26 08:36, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 17:21:19 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul S Person writes:
>>>> That is probably the most cogent statement of transendent and
>>>> imminanent I have seen in a long time. Also the Ground of Being
>>>> concept. But the usual doctrine is creation /ex nihilo/, "out of
>>>> nothing", so no materials required.
>>>
>>> It does, however, raise the question of where and how that
>>> 'place/time/region' itself was created und so weiter ad infinitum.
>>
>> What I said doesn't; there is no "place/time/region from which the
>> materials for the Big Bang emerged" when creation is from -- nothing.
>>
>> Don't need a place to store nothing.
>>
>> But don't let me interrupt your ranting.
>
> Why do you assume that "nothing" ever existed?
Actually, the point is that "nothing" never existed. God did not use
any "materials" at all. No lumber room required.
This is the difference between the Judeo-Christian view of creation,
the Platonist view, and the pantheistic version: God is separate from
the world (as well as present in it), but God created it all (matter
is not intrinsically evil) by fiat.
Literally: "fiat" means "let there be", which occurs often in Gen 1.
In the Vulgate, IIRC, "fiat" itself is used.
This may or may not be helpful:
.
You appear to have succumbed to some form of materialism, in the sense
of believing that matter is primary. From the viewpoint espoused here,
this would be a form of idolatry: worshipping the created instead of
the Creator. Well, depending on the details, of course; "worship" may
be a bit strong.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
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