From: atropos@mac.com   
      
   On Dec 27, 2025 at 6:40:52 AM PST, "NoBody"  wrote:   
      
   > On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 19:03:30 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Aug 20, 2024 at 6:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>  The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option   
   on   
   >>>  their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I   
   ended   
   >>>  up   
   >>>  tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food   
   >>>  workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in   
   California,   
   >>>  they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now   
   >>>  costs   
   >>>  $14.00.   
   >>>   
   >>>  https://ibb.co/pW3khYk   
   >>   
   >> Went to pick up a friend at the airport yesterday. Got there early, so I   
   >> parked and went into the terminal for a bite to eat. I ended up getting a   
   >> sandwich and a soda at a completely automated shop on the concourse. I took   
   >> my   
   >> items to the scanner to pay and was presented with a tip screen: 30% 40% and   
   >> 50% were the options with no "no tip" option or ability to skip the screen.   
   >>   
   >> For a store WITH NO EMPLOYEES.   
   >>   
   >> Who am I tipping in that scenario? Myself?   
   >>   
   >> I'm certainly not tipping for any kind of service. It's basically just the   
   >> corporation saying, "Hey, I know we priced the sandwich at $8.00, but we'd   
   >> really like it if you paid between $10.50 - $12.00 for it instead. We just   
   >> don't want to look like gigantic cockbags with our prices and push people to   
   >> eat elsewhere."   
   >>   
   >> There was a "custom tip" option, so I chose that and entered $0.00, which it   
   >> rejected as invalid. So I entered $0.01 and it went through, but I was still   
   >> enraged at having to pay even a penny for this kind of nonsense.   
   >>   
   >   
   > I see grounds for a lawsuit.  For an optional tip to be mandatory on   
   > the machine smacks of fraud.   
      
   More and more restaurants around here are automatically adding tips to the   
   bill-- even for parties of just one or two-- as a mandatory charge. They don't   
   call them tips, since legally tips have to be voluntary. They label them   
   things like "staff health care fee" and "worker compensation fee" and "living   
   wage fee".   
      
   And of course even after they charge you one of those bullshit mandatory fees,   
   they still add the tip line at the bottom for you to pay them even *more*   
   money. Whenever I see one of these exciting new fees on the bill, I just draw   
   a line with an arrow from the tip line up to the fee, circle it, and write,   
   "That's your tip."   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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