From: atropos@mac.com   
      
   On Jan 3, 2026 at 7:54:42 PM PST, "moviePig"  wrote:   
      
   > On 1/3/2026 5:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:   
   >>  On Jan 3, 2026 at 2:36:28 PM PST, "moviePig"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>  On 1/3/2026 4:31 PM, BTR1701 wrote:   
   >>>>    On Jan 3, 2026 at 12:24:41 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman""    
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>    BTR1701  wrote:   
   >>>>>>    Jan 3, 2026 2:53:42 AM PST, shawn :   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>    Looks like we went to war last night with Venezuela.   
   >>>>>>>    Multiple bombs were dropped in Caracas centered on the military   
   >>>>>>>    installations. Then there were multiple helicopters sent in,   
   >>>>>>>    apparently to drop off troops to capture Maduro. It's unknown   
   >>>>>>>    if that was the sole purpose of this attack or if there is more to   
   >>>>>>>    come.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>    At least it looks like the bombing has stopped. Trump is supposed to   
   >>>>>>>    hold a press conference at 11AM. That's when we should find out just   
   >>>>>>>    what was the intent of this attack and if removing Maduro is the end   
   >>>>>>>    of it.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>    I'm ambivalent about all this. Maduro is a monster who was   
   legitimately   
   >>>>>>    indicted for actual crimes and he deserved to go down. His flirting   
   with   
   >>>>>>    Iran and China just sealed that deal. But I really wish Trump didn't   
   >>>>>>    spend his entire press conference basically saying, "Now we've got   
   all   
   >>>>>>    that oil and now we're going to make so much money." I mean, even if   
   >>>>>>    that's why you did all this, show a little PR sense and focus on   
   stuff   
   >>>>>>    like "Now the people of the Venezuela are free and we'll be working   
   on   
   >>>>>>    rebuilding the democracy that existed before Maduro and Chavez and   
   making   
   >>>>>>    sure those who are starving get fed", etc. etc. 'Cause right now it   
   just   
   >>>>>>    looks like you took over a sovereign nation to steal their resources.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>    Even if there is a narcotrafficking case to be made, don't the people   
   of   
   >>>>>    Venezuala deserve the opportunity to prosecute this asshole?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    Well, if we're going with what the people of Venezuela want, they were   
   >>>>  dancing   
   >>>>    in the streets with joy over the news of Maduro's capture and   
   rendition.   
   >>>   
   >>>  Are you sure?  Wasn't the toppling of Saddam's statue staged?   
   >>   
   >>  Yes, I'm sure Trump went down to Doral, Florida and all the other places in   
   >>  the country where Venezuelan ex-pats have gathered and put on staged   
   >>  celebrations.     
   >   
   > I seem to recall, post-conflict, videos of ecstatic Iraqi throngs   
   > --videos that I naively accepted at face-value.  I'd like to know why   
   > you're so credulous in this instance, with so many similar circumstances   
   > in play (not to mention a president demonstrably devoted to lying).   
      
   Are you suggesting that all the mainstream media coverage of the celebrations   
   lacked legitimate effort at reporting? That we no longer have a functioning   
   media in America? Because that would be quite a bold step for you.   
      
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