From: atropos@mac.com
On Jan 3, 2026 at 7:54:42 PM PST, "moviePig" wrote:
> On 1/3/2026 5:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> On Jan 3, 2026 at 2:36:28 PM PST, "moviePig" wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/3/2026 4:31 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> On Jan 3, 2026 at 12:24:41 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman""
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> Jan 3, 2026 2:53:42 AM PST, shawn :
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks like we went to war last night with Venezuela.
>>>>>>> Multiple bombs were dropped in Caracas centered on the military
>>>>>>> installations. Then there were multiple helicopters sent in,
>>>>>>> apparently to drop off troops to capture Maduro. It's unknown
>>>>>>> if that was the sole purpose of this attack or if there is more to
>>>>>>> come.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> At least it looks like the bombing has stopped. Trump is supposed to
>>>>>>> hold a press conference at 11AM. That's when we should find out just
>>>>>>> what was the intent of this attack and if removing Maduro is the end
>>>>>>> of it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm ambivalent about all this. Maduro is a monster who was
legitimately
>>>>>> indicted for actual crimes and he deserved to go down. His flirting
with
>>>>>> Iran and China just sealed that deal. But I really wish Trump didn't
>>>>>> spend his entire press conference basically saying, "Now we've got
all
>>>>>> that oil and now we're going to make so much money." I mean, even if
>>>>>> that's why you did all this, show a little PR sense and focus on
stuff
>>>>>> like "Now the people of the Venezuela are free and we'll be working
on
>>>>>> rebuilding the democracy that existed before Maduro and Chavez and
making
>>>>>> sure those who are starving get fed", etc. etc. 'Cause right now it
just
>>>>>> looks like you took over a sovereign nation to steal their resources.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if there is a narcotrafficking case to be made, don't the people
of
>>>>> Venezuala deserve the opportunity to prosecute this asshole?
>>>>
>>>> Well, if we're going with what the people of Venezuela want, they were
>>>> dancing
>>>> in the streets with joy over the news of Maduro's capture and
rendition.
>>>
>>> Are you sure? Wasn't the toppling of Saddam's statue staged?
>>
>> Yes, I'm sure Trump went down to Doral, Florida and all the other places in
>> the country where Venezuelan ex-pats have gathered and put on staged
>> celebrations.
>
> I seem to recall, post-conflict, videos of ecstatic Iraqi throngs
> --videos that I naively accepted at face-value. I'd like to know why
> you're so credulous in this instance, with so many similar circumstances
> in play (not to mention a president demonstrably devoted to lying).
I've been greatly amused over the last 24 hours watching activists and pundits
claiming to be "standing with the people of Venezuela against imperialist
violence", only to be left sputtering and speechless when shown clip after
clip of the actual people of Venezuela celebrating the actions of the United
States in ridding them of a monster.
In one memorable instance, a communist activist in Times Square waving the red
hammer-and-sickle banner and shouting "solidarity with the people of
Venezuela!" was informed by an interviewer that the Venezuelan people were
currently about 30 blocks south, gathered around the Manhattan Courthouse, and
praising the arrest and rendition of Maduro. The commie refused to believe it
so the interviewer pulled up live news coverage of it on his phone and showed
it to him, then asked, "So are you still in solidarity with the people of
Venezuela or are you really just in solidarity with a brutal authoritarian
regime?" The commie tried to hit the guy with his flagpole in response.
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