From: nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com   
      
   On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 23:52:27 -0500, Rhino   
    wrote:   
      
   >On 2026-01-04 6:47 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >> BTR1701  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> It is true that a lot of the Democrats who are now screeching about   
   "violating   
   >>> international law by kidnapping a head of state" are having to explain a   
   lot   
   >>> of inconvenient tweets and statements that are barely a year old where they   
   >>> literally said things like, "Maduro is an illegitimate and brutal dictator   
   >>> whole stole an election and should be removed". Now that Trump has done   
   >>> exactly what they called for, he's suddenly a war criminal or something.   
   >>   
   >> Fuck Trump for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. No one, except   
   >> Cuba, Russia, and China, recognizes Maduro as head of state. Biden   
   >> twisted Maduro's arm till he called that election. Maduro then had Hugo   
   >> Chavez's leading opponenent Maria Corina Machado barred from running.   
   >> The unified opposition ran Edmundo Gonzalez, her ally, instead. Maduro   
   >> lost. The entire world said so.   
   >>   
   >> Trump must not say that the U.S. will run the country given that we   
   >> aren't even occupying the place. He's got to recognize Gonzales and make   
   >> it safe for Machado to come out of hiding. Give them every bit of   
   >> support and help restore the economy.   
   >>   
   >> No clue if grabbing Maduro violated international law, considering his   
   >> illegitimacy, but if we run the place and Gonzales does not, that's   
   >> clearly against international law.   
   >   
   >I would imagine American involvement in WWII violated all kinds of   
   >international law too but sometimes the law has to be ignored to do   
   >right. I don't remember hearing about the Americans clearing customs on   
   >the Normandy beaches so they apparently invaded (occupied) France. That   
   >alone must be a major breach of law.   
      
      
   There is one major difference that is described in the words, World   
   War II. There was a declared war between the two countries. In this   
   case Trump went around Congress and took action without ever declaring   
   war. In fact we've got Marco Rubio declaring that this was just an   
   arrest. An arrest including multiple bombings, military boots on the   
   ground and apparently the deaths of over 80 people including many   
   civilians.   
      
   >>   
   >> Macron congratulated Trump! No other European leader did.   
   >   
   >Our foreign minister made noises that acknowledged Maduro was an   
   >illegitimate leader but made no effort to thank or praise Trump.   
      
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