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   On 2026-01-05 05:49:30 +0000, shawn said:   
      
   > On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 23:52:27 -0500, Rhino   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2026-01-04 6:47 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>> BTR1701  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> It is true that a lot of the Democrats who are now screeching about   
   >>>> "violating international law by kidnapping a head of state" are having   
   >>>> to explain a lot of inconvenient tweets and statements that are barely   
   >>>> a year old where they literally said things like, "Maduro is an   
   >>>> illegitimate and brutal dictator whole stole an election and should be   
   >>>> removed". Now that Trump has done exactly what they called for, he's   
   >>>> suddenly a war criminal or something.   
   >>>   
   >>> Fuck Trump for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. No one, except   
   >>> Cuba, Russia, and China, recognizes Maduro as head of state. Biden   
   >>> twisted Maduro's arm till he called that election. Maduro then had Hugo   
   >>> Chavez's leading opponenent Maria Corina Machado barred from running.   
   >>> The unified opposition ran Edmundo Gonzalez, her ally, instead. Maduro   
   >>> lost. The entire world said so.   
   >>>   
   >>> Trump must not say that the U.S. will run the country given that we   
   >>> aren't even occupying the place. He's got to recognize Gonzales and   
   >>> make it safe for Machado to come out of hiding. Give them every bit of   
   >>> support and help restore the economy.   
   >>>   
   >>> No clue if grabbing Maduro violated international law, considering his   
   >>> illegitimacy, but if we run the place and Gonzales does not, that's   
   >>> clearly against international law.   
   >>   
   >> I would imagine American involvement in WWII violated all kinds of   
   >> international law too but sometimes the law has to be ignored to do   
   >> right. I don't remember hearing about the Americans clearing customs on   
   >> the Normandy beaches so they apparently invaded (occupied) France. That   
   >> alone must be a major breach of law.   
   >   
   > There is one major difference that is described in the words, World War   
   > II. There was a declared war between the two countries. In this case   
   > Trump went around Congress and took action without ever declaring war.   
   > In fact we've got Marco Rubio declaring that this was just an arrest.   
   > An arrest including multiple bombings, military boots on the ground and   
   > apparently the deaths of over 80 people including many civilians.   
      
   America specifically decided to stay out of World War II (officially   
   anyway, some individuals did of course volunteer) ... *until* Japan   
   attacked Pearl Harbor, then they quickly changed their mind.   
      
      
      
      
   >>> Macron congratulated Trump! No other European leader did.   
   >>   
   >> Our foreign minister made noises that acknowledged Maduro was an   
   >> illegitimate leader but made no effort to thank or praise Trump.   
      
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