From: dtravel@sonic.net   
      
   On 1/4/2026 10:32 PM, Your Name wrote:   
   > On 2026-01-05 05:49:30 +0000, shawn said:   
   >   
   >> On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 23:52:27 -0500, Rhino   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 2026-01-04 6:47 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>>> BTR1701  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> It is true that a lot of the Democrats who are now screeching about   
   >>>>> "violating international law by kidnapping a head of state" are   
   >>>>> having to explain a lot of inconvenient tweets and statements that   
   >>>>> are barely a year old where they literally said things like,   
   >>>>> "Maduro is an illegitimate and brutal dictator whole stole an   
   >>>>> election and should be removed". Now that Trump has done exactly   
   >>>>> what they called for, he's suddenly a war criminal or something.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Fuck Trump for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. No one,   
   >>>> except   
   >>>> Cuba, Russia, and China, recognizes Maduro as head of state. Biden   
   >>>> twisted Maduro's arm till he called that election. Maduro then had   
   >>>> Hugo Chavez's leading opponenent Maria Corina Machado barred from   
   >>>> running. The unified opposition ran Edmundo Gonzalez, her ally,   
   >>>> instead. Maduro lost. The entire world said so.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Trump must not say that the U.S. will run the country given that we   
   >>>> aren't even occupying the place. He's got to recognize Gonzales and   
   >>>> make it safe for Machado to come out of hiding. Give them every bit   
   >>>> of support and help restore the economy.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No clue if grabbing Maduro violated international law, considering his   
   >>>> illegitimacy, but if we run the place and Gonzales does not, that's   
   >>>> clearly against international law.   
   >>>   
   >>> I would imagine American involvement in WWII violated all kinds of   
   >>> international law too but sometimes the law has to be ignored to do   
   >>> right. I don't remember hearing about the Americans clearing customs   
   >>> on the Normandy beaches so they apparently invaded (occupied) France.   
   >>> That alone must be a major breach of law.   
   >>   
   >> There is one major difference that is described in the words, World   
   >> War II. There was a declared war between the two countries. In this   
   >> case Trump went around Congress and took action without ever declaring   
   >> war. In fact we've got Marco Rubio declaring that this was just an   
   >> arrest. An arrest including multiple bombings, military boots on the   
   >> ground and apparently the deaths of over 80 people including many   
   >> civilians.   
   >   
   > America specifically decided to stay out of World War II (officially   
   > anyway, some individuals did of course volunteer) ... *until* Japan   
   > attacked Pearl Harbor, then they quickly changed their mind.   
   >   
   And even then Congress declared war on Japan.  Which led to Germany   
   declaring war on the US.  I don't remember ATM if we reciprocated that   
   or not.   
      
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