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|    Rhino to Adam H. Kerman    |
|    Re: What was taught in USSR law school?    |
|    09 Jan 26 19:05:07    |
      From: no_offline_contact@example.com              On 2026-01-09 4:36 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:       > Inspired by the other thread to do some reading, did you know there was       > such a thing as jurisprudence in the USSR? If you were executed under       > the Stalin regime, you could be confident that proper procedure was       > followed.       >       You must be being sarcastic. The one thing you could be sure of is that       the Soviet justice system was anything BUT just. Solzhenitsyn's Gulag       Archipelago is the gold standard on this but it's three volumes and       close to 2000 pages so that may be more than you're willing to take on.       (I've read it three times now and HIGHLY recommend it as having done       more to educate me about the real world than anything else I've ever read.)              Picture a trial that lasted just 10 or 15 minutes, with no defence       attorney present or allowed. (Show trials were the exception in that       they pretended to permit a defence attorney, although many of them       openly expressed their contempt for their clients in open court and       their desire that their client should get the maximum penalty allowed by       law.) A typical trial was in front of a "troika", a panel of three men       (although there were often just two) who basically noted that you had       confessed (after intensive torture, although they probably didn't       mention that bit) and announced the sentence, which might be an       immediate execution or a long stint in the camps.              It should also be mentioned that it wasn't necessary to have actually       DONE SOMETHING to be sentenced to the Gulag: merely being related to       someone who had confessed to something was sufficient. Stalin's       "justice" system had no hesitation in sending parents, grandparents,       spouses, aunts and uncles, or children of confessed criminals to the       Gulag for several years. (Very young children would get sent to brutal       orphanages were they were eventually recruited to join the secret police       in many cases, often as some of the cruelest officers).              > Here's a blog post talking about the guy who wrote the book that every       > lawyer in training read.       >       > https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2024/02/old-legal-theories-given-a-new-life/       >       Vyshinky was among the vilest of the vile people that surrounded Stalin.              > I would like my own copy to pound the clue through the skull of anyone       > apologizing for socialism demanding that more and more of it be       > implemented in the West. This is the most disturbing thing I've read all       > day.              If you read it, Gulag Archipelago will be the most disturbing thing       you've read in your entire LIFE. My brother had little interest in       politics - although some in history - and he read the whole thing. He       wasn't one to talk much on the phone and even less so when it was long       distance but he called me long distance after he read it and we had an       extensive chat about it; it had moved him that much.              Robert Conquest's book, The Great Terror (especially the 30th       anniversary revision and probably the 40th anniversary revision) are       considerably shorter if you want to get a sense of the times without       reading so much. Conquest was an Anglo-American historian who, as a       young man, had joined the (British) Communist Party about the same time       as Kim Philby (while also at Cambridge) but who eventually soured on       Communism and wrote many books on the history of Soviet communism. The       revised editions of the Great Terror are especially good because he was       able to confirm a lot of things that had only been informed speculation       in the original version due to the opening of the Soviet archives to       Western researchers.              --       Rhino              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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