From: atropos@mac.com   
      
   On Jan 31, 2026 at 10:22:48 AM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman""    
   wrote:   
      
   > BTR1701  wrote:   
   >> Jan 30, 2026 at 11:04:22 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman  wrote:   
   >>> BTR1701  wrote:   
   >   
   >>>> A couple years ago I got a bogus ticket at a red light camera. The   
   >>>> light was obviously malfunctioning. I sat through the entire cycle   
   >>>> three times and never got a green arrow, so I just went through when   
   >>>> it was clear, only to get a dazzling flash in my eyes as the camera   
   >>>> went off and took my picture.   
   >   
   >>>> A friend of mine sent me a news article from back in 2010 where a   
   >>>> judge had ruled the county's red light cameras unconstitutional. He   
   >>>> told me to just ignore the ticket since they can't legally enforce   
   >>>> it. They just leave the cameras up because most people don't know   
   >>>> they're unenforceable and will just pay the fine. So I ignored it and   
   >>>> it's been two and a half years and nothing has happened, so I guess   
   >>>> my friend was right.   
   >   
   >>> Was it something sprcific to the county, or does the judge feel   
   >>> automated law enforcement is generally unconstitutional?   
   >   
   >> It was a violation of the right to confront your accuser.   
   >   
   > Excellent. I've never understood how there could be any automated law   
   > enforcement procedures that don't violate the confrontation clause, but   
   > judges don't generally rule that way.   
      
   The county tried to argue that the violations were civil, not criminal, so   
   therefore there was no right being violated. The judge basically told them you   
   call a zebra a pig, but it still has stripes.   
      
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