From: atropos@mac.com   
      
   On Feb 10, 2026 at 10:07:33 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman""    
   wrote:   
      
   > BTR1701   wrote:   
   >> On Feb 10, 2026 at 9:34:36 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman""    
   wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>  If applications are constitutional, and yes I know they may not be, I   
   >>>  have no objection to fingerprints and photos even though the applicant   
   >>>  has the burden to show he has had no arrest record to be concerned   
   >>>  about. You keep comparing the constitutionality of ID laws to exercise   
   >>>  the right to vote with administration of gun ownership and carry laws.   
   >>   
   >> Right, and the requirement to merely show an ID (that everyone except   
   Grizzly   
   >> Adams has in order to live in modern society) to vote isn't even 1/100th the   
   >> burden on that right that the government puts on people attempting to   
   >> exercise   
   >> their 2nd Amendment rights.   
   >   
   > What voter ID did the Founding Fathers show? Your argument fails under   
   > Bruen analysis.   
   >   
   > Bruen analysis goes well beyond the Second Amendment equivalent of   
   > strict scrutiny analysis.   
   >   
   > Why can't the analysis be, Does this law address a real-world problem   
   > and is it the least burdensome way to address the problem? Voter ID   
   > fails my suggested common sense analysis. The idea of a massive   
   > conspiracy among huge numbers of voters misrepresentating their ideas   
   > resulting in stolen elections should have been called out as stupid when   
   > it first got to court.   
      
   In simple terms, this is what happens:   
      
   1) Fill up the voter rolls with as many names as possible, including illegals,   
   dead people, and residents who left the state.   
      
   2) Legislate for unsolicited ballots to be automatically mailed out to   
   everyone on the rolls *and* for ballot harvesting to be legal.   
      
   3) Pay people (per ballot) to collect, fill out, sign, and send back or dump   
   these ballots into drop boxes.   
      
   Here's how this works:   
      
   Take a random, low-income apartment building in East L.A. or Compton with 100   
   units. This is a demographic that doesn't vote and rarely checks their mail.   
      
   Unsolicited ballots will be automatically sent to every single tenant or   
   resident registered to that building, going back a decade or longer. So a   
   100-unit apartment building could receive 5x as many ballots, most of which   
   litter the mail room floor.   
      
   Activist groups like Arabella recruit low-income residents to collect these   
   ballots, and pay them for every completed ballot, without oversight or   
   accountability.   
      
   So these recruits can either laboriously track down the intended recipients   
   and encourage them to vote legally, OR they can collect as many blank ballots   
   as possible and fill them all out themselves, knowing they'll make thousands   
   of dollars, and it's virtually impossible for them to get caught.   
      
   These ballots end up in the mail or in a dropbox, where they will be counted   
   alongside legitimate ballots, having never been verified or   
   signature-matched.   
      
   It doesn't take a grand conspiracy as you suggest, since the participant-pawns   
   are incentivized monetarily to cheat on their own accord. And there's no legal   
   recourse, as the big-money organizers have plausible deniability because they   
   don't need to instruct or bear witness to any of the cheating.   
      
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