From: ahk@chinet.com   
      
   BTR1701   wrote:   
   >On Feb 14, 2026 at 7:29:18 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman""  wrote:   
   >   
   >> BTR1701   wrote:   
   >>> On Feb 14, 2026 at 6:01:40 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman""    
   wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>  Rhino  wrote:   
   >>>>>  On 2026-02-14 4:30 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>  A lawyer commenting repeated my line that a woman who spontaneously   
   >>>>>>  aborts in the first month or two of pregnancy can be charged with   
   >>>>>>  murder. This has massive implications for the clinical treatment of   
   >>>>>>  women in ordinary and extraordinary circumstances.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>  The wall of separation between church and state has been breached.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >https://apnews.com/article/puerto-rico-923-governor-signed-law-   
   regnancies-9d2f1fb895a17511a920cc42d480668e   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>  I think you could make a case for that breach to have happened in Roe v.   
   >>>>>  Wade. The Supremes essentially drew a dividing line saying abortion was   
   >>>>>  fine at such-and-such a point in the gestation cycle; the Puerto Rico   
   >>>>>  decision just moved the line.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>  I'm not seeing your point. Blackman was criticized at the time for both   
   >>>>  the arbitrary time ranges, which were not based on landmarks in   
   >>>>  gestation, and his notion of when viability might occur, which he just   
   >>>>  made up. Viability was a moving target anyway, given advances in   
   >>>>  technology.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>  Where's the religion?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>  The arguments didn't change the centuries-old legal concept that human   
   >>>>  life begins with a live birth. In probate law, a yet to be born child   
   >>>>  does not inherit from the father if the father died between conception   
   >>>>  and birth.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>  That human life begins at conception is a religious concept.   
   >>   
   >>> It can be but it doesn't have to be based on religion.   
   >>   
   >> Where else can it come from?   
      
   >Science.   
      
   During gestation, we go through periods in which we resemble the form of   
   other species as they gestate. Takes quite a while to become discretely   
   human. Human life begins at birth doesn't sound scientific at all.   
      
   >At the moment of conception, it's a living group of cells with its   
   >own distinct DNA separate from the parents. It's as good a definition of life   
   >as any. The point is, believing a human life comes into being when the sperm   
   >fertilizes the egg does not require some magical sky tyrant as a necessary   
   >element.   
      
   People who push for this are either religious themselves or are trying   
   to score points with those who are religious. I'm calling a spade a   
   spade.   
      
   >> Human life with live birth was being practical. Common law was not   
   >> implementing religious belief about when   
   >> the soul enters.   
   >   
   >Who said anything about souls?   
      
   Isn't that why abortions are murder?   
      
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