From: atropos@mac.com
On Feb 14, 2026 at 11:38:29 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman""
wrote:
> BTR1701 wrote:
>> On Feb 14, 2026 at 7:29:18 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman""
wrote:
>>
>>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> On Feb 14, 2026 at 6:01:40 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman""
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rhino wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-02-14 4:30 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> A lawyer commenting repeated my line that a woman who spontaneously
>>>>>>> aborts in the first month or two of pregnancy can be charged with
>>>>>>> murder. This has massive implications for the clinical treatment of
>>>>>>> women in ordinary and extraordinary circumstances.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The wall of separation between church and state has been breached.
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> https://apnews.com/article/puerto-rico-923-governor-signed-la
-pregnancies-9d2f1fb895a17511a920cc42d480668e
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you could make a case for that breach to have happened in Roe
v.
>>>>>> Wade. The Supremes essentially drew a dividing line saying abortion
was
>>>>>> fine at such-and-such a point in the gestation cycle; the Puerto Rico
>>>>>> decision just moved the line.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not seeing your point. Blackman was criticized at the time for both
>>>>> the arbitrary time ranges, which were not based on landmarks in
>>>>> gestation, and his notion of when viability might occur, which he just
>>>>> made up. Viability was a moving target anyway, given advances in
>>>>> technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where's the religion?
>>>>>
>>>>> The arguments didn't change the centuries-old legal concept that human
>>>>> life begins with a live birth. In probate law, a yet to be born child
>>>>> does not inherit from the father if the father died between conception
>>>>> and birth.
>>>>>
>>>>> That human life begins at conception is a religious concept.
>>>
>>>> It can be but it doesn't have to be based on religion.
>>>
>>> Where else can it come from?
>
>> Science.
>
> During gestation, we go through periods in which we resemble the form of
> other species as they gestate. Takes quite a while to become discretely
> human. Human life begins at birth doesn't sound scientific at all.
The point is, the legislature is free to decide that it is based on the
criteria I mentioned below. Religion and supernaturalism is not necessary. And
resembling something is not the same as being that thing. No matter what the
fetus looks like at any given moment, it's made up of human DNA. It's never
actually anything but human.
>
>> At the moment of conception, it's a living group of cells with its
>> own distinct DNA separate from the parents. It's as good a definition of
life
>> as any. The point is, believing a human life comes into being when the sperm
>> fertilizes the egg does not require some magical sky tyrant as a necessary
>> element.
>
> People who push for this are either religious themselves or are trying
> to score points with those who are religious. I'm calling a spade a
> spade.
You can call it whatever you like and you may even be right but imputing
religion into a law merely because some of the people who voted for it are
religious is not how 1st Amendment law works.
>>> Human life with live birth was being practical. Common law was not
>>> implementing religious belief about when
>>> the soul enters.
>>
>> Who said anything about souls?
>
> Isn't that why abortions are murder?
You'll have to ask people who believe in souls.
I don't think abortion is murder because of souls the same way I don't believe
souls are the reason it's murder when full-grown adults are the victims of
homicide.
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