From: dannyb@panix.com   
      
   In <10n078f$1450f$4@dont-email.me> Rhino    
   writes:   
      
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   >There goes that excuse then. Mind you, I'm sure they'll insist it   
   >doesn't matter and claim they absolutely HAVE to do the call to prayer   
   >over loudspeakers because:   
   >a) it's tradition and they must be allowed to have their traditions   
   >otherwise we're being Islamaphobic   
   >b) there are destitute Muslims somewhere that don't have a smart phone   
   >so they've got to be able to remind them about the prayers.   
      
   Electric loudspeakers in the 7th century?   
      
   At least in orthodox (the more religious) segments   
   of Judaism, modern accrutements such as public   
   address systems are frowned upon.   
      
      
      
      
   >>>>   This is the same reason huge crowds of Muslim men take over the streets   
   to   
   >>>> pray   
   >>>>   in Western countries, blocking traffic and snarling commutes, despite   
   having   
   >>>>   built thousands of mosques throughout the West. They don't pray in the   
   >>>> streets   
   >>>>   in their own countries.   
   >>>   
   >>> I have it on good authority from my supervisor when I was driving a   
   >>> school bus that one of the challenges that supervisors in Toronto had -   
   >>> I'm not aware of it happening in our area - was Muslim school bus   
   >>> drivers stopping their buses to leave the bus and pray in the middle of   
   >>> their routes. We had a very strict prohibition on leaving our buses   
   >>> while there were ANY students aboard (presumably, to preclude kids   
   >>> taking off with the bus or just nudging it into motion by accident) but   
   >>> this was ignored when the Muslim drivers did it, apparently for fear of   
   >>> legal action by the drivers for impeding their practice of their   
   >>> religion. The human rights of Muslims trumped the risk that a kid could   
   >>> start the bus or even that someone might board the bus while it was   
   >>> stopped as the driver prayed on the side of the road and kidnap a kid or   
   >>> even a whole busload of kids.   
   >>   
   >> Because of course. We're all good little dhimmis, aren't we?   
   >>   
   >We sure are. And we all know lawyers aren't cheap so who's going to   
   >cough up the big bucks to oppose the special demands of their "special"   
   >employees and risk getting cancelled/sued for their trouble?   
      
      
   >>>>   They only do it in Western countries. It's a power   
   >>>>   move over the local populace. It's a way of saying, "We're in charge   
   here   
   >>>> now   
   >>>>   and you can't do anything about it" and using the act of prayer as a   
   shield   
   >>>>   against any enforcement.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   In Islam, there is no reciprocity: Try public prayer, church bells, or   
   hymns   
   >>>>   in Mecca: arrested, possibly executed. Actually non-Muslims aren't even   
   >>>>   *allowed* in Mecca at all. Yet in 9/11-scarred New York City, we submit.   
   >>>> This   
   >>>>   is noise pollution masking conquest-- normalizing Islamic dominance,   
   eroding   
   >>>>   our culture, testing tolerance until it breaks.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   Leftists call it "progress", but it's the internal-external war:   
   parallel   
   >>>>   societies (women-only cafes, halal zones) + penetration (crescent   
   lightings,   
   >>>>   Adhan blasts). We either stop it now or there won't be anything left to   
   save   
   >>>>   in 50 years.   
   >>>   
   >>> 50 years? If we can't stop this nonsense NOW, we're ALREADY CONQUERED   
   >>> and just don't know it yet.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   When Muslims are in the minority, they are very concerned with minority   
   >>>>   rights. When they become the majority, there are no minority rights.   
   >>>>   
   >>> I think it's time for some unfortunate technical failures of the mosque   
   >>> loudspeakers with amplifiers failing and wires cut by mysterious forces   
   >>> followed by police being baffled and not having any idea how it happened.   
   >>   
   >> Or, in the alternative, people in the neighborhood start blasting "Who Let   
   the   
   >> Dogs Out" even louder than their prayer calls to drown it out. Sure, it   
   makes   
   >> the noise pollution even worse for a time, but eventually they'll give up   
   and   
   >> if the city tries to stop you, sue the shit out of them for letting one   
   group   
   >> do it but no one else.   
   >>   
   >An EXCELLENT choice for the counterpart to the Muslim call given their   
   >loathing of dogs!   
      
   >It's also a cool strategy that might just work. Many years ago, back in   
   >residence, during Oktoberfest (which is a big deal in neighbouring   
   >Kitchener and goes on for two weeks), one of the girls on our floor had   
   >some friends come down from her home town and they were pretty rowdy. (I   
   >think they were all male; at least I don't remember any females.) They   
   >stayed in one of our common rooms in sleeping bags and they'd come in   
   >after last call when everyone else was deep asleep and make a ruckus   
   >that woke the rest of us up. After a few nights of this, we were getting   
   >a little tired of that and hatched a revenge. We stayed up (but hiding   
   >in someone's room so the visitors would think we were in bed) and after   
   >THEY had been asleep for an hour, the biggest of us hauled a railway tie   
   >up from the parking lot and braced it against the door of the common   
   >room where they were staying where they could NOT have any chance of   
   >moving it, effectively locking them in. (There was only that one door   
   >and we were on the third floor so there was no chance they were sneaking   
   >out via the window.) Then, at 2:30 AM, we moved large and powerful   
   >speakers against the door and a wall that was common with the common   
   >room and gave them the cannons from the 1812 Overture at a very high   
   >volume. At 3:00 AM, we gave them the alarm clocks from Dark Side of the   
   >Moon. A half hour after that, we gave them something else - I forget   
   >what but it was equally noticeable - and then just let them simmer. They   
   >never gave us another minutes trouble for the rest of the visit :-)   
      
   >>> NO religion should be able to do this and if that means churches can't   
   >>> ring their bells either, that is fine by me.   
   >>   
   >> Yes, that's always their go-to: "But you ring church bells and that's   
   equally   
   >> intrusive!"   
   >>   
   >> No, no it is not.   
   >>   
   >> Church bells only ring once a week, and then only in the morning, well after   
   >> sunrise.   
   >>   
   >I can't remember the last time I heard church bells in this country.   
   >They all seem to have stopped decades back. (There *was* a church near   
   >me in London Ontario that rang a carillon every Sunday morning, probably   
   >at 10 AM or even 11, but that was in the early 80s. I don't think I've   
   >heard a church bell since then and I live a three minute walk from a   
   >Lutheran church.)   
      
   >> This shit goes on every single day, it happens five times a day, lasts much   
   >> longer than a typical church bell carillon, and often occurs before sunrise   
   >> while people are still sleeping, and is done at a much higher volume.   
   >>   
   >And, despite Obama's claim that it's the most beautiful sound on earth,   
   >it sounds to me like a cat in a sack being beaten.   
      
   >> But fine. As you say, if it takes banning church bells to rid us of this   
   crap   
   >> also, then so be it. I'll give up the church bells.   
   >>   
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