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   From: snidely.too@gmail.com   
      
   William December Starr used his keyboard to write :   
   > In article <1376368854@sheol.org>,   
   > throopw@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) said:   
   >   
   >> IMO, the bit is "if the rules describing the universe are lorentz   
   >> invariant, then either FTL or time travel can be used to construct   
   >> closed timelike loops, and a) those seem a very unlikely thing for   
   >> the universe to allow,   
   >   
   > Didn't somebody famous say the same thing about black holes?   
      
   Yes, but he had only 1 generation to think about them.  By now, we've   
   had at least 3 if not 4 generations of somebodies famous who have shown   
   that black holes are a very likely thing for the universe to allow.   
      
   (and remember, he didn't believe in entanglement, either, so there are   
   clearly some ideas that he wasn't prepared for and which we have lots   
   of supporting evidence for.)   
      
   >   
   >> and also b) by this point, it seems very unlikely that the   
   >> actually-for-really-true rules that really-for-true describe the   
   >> real-(no-really-the-real-one)-universe aren't lorentz invariant.   
   >> At least locally.   
      
   /dps "this message will be delivered on a space-like path,   
         even though I'm late"   
      
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