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   In article , Snidely   
    wrote:   
      
   > William December Starr used his keyboard to write :   
   > > In article <1376368854@sheol.org>,   
   > > throopw@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) said:   
   > >   
   > >> IMO, the bit is "if the rules describing the universe are lorentz   
   > >> invariant, then either FTL or time travel can be used to construct   
   > >> closed timelike loops, and a) those seem a very unlikely thing for   
   > >> the universe to allow,   
   > >   
   > > Didn't somebody famous say the same thing about black holes?   
   >   
   > Yes, but he had only 1 generation to think about them.  By now, we've   
   > had at least 3 if not 4 generations of somebodies famous who have shown   
   > that black holes are a very likely thing for the universe to allow.   
   >   
   > (and remember, he didn't believe in entanglement, either, so there are   
   > clearly some ideas that he wasn't prepared for and which we have lots   
   > of supporting evidence for.)   
      
   "There's an entire universe beyond that black hole.   
     A pointwhere time and space as we know it no longer   
     exists."   
                                       - Durant   
      
   "In, through... and beyond."   
                                       - Dr. Hans Reinhardt   
      
      
   Both from the Disney movie "The Black Hole".   ;-)   
      
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