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   From: ascii@dprk.kp   
      
   Your Name kirjoitti 19.12.2017 klo 2:22:   
   > Nope, but there was a lightsabre battle in the Empero... err, Snoke's   
   > throne room. Just yet another of the many many knock-off scenes in the   
   > supposedly "new episodes".   
   >   
      
      
   That was a definite 'callback' yes... I liked it.   
      
   But it was also different than in ROTJ where Vader turns from the dark   
   side... here Kylo Ren becomes more evil, takes Snoke's place...   
      
   It was also visually nice looking (red)... and I also liked to see Rey &   
   Ren fight in unison against Pretorian Guards (red).   
      
      
   >>>> If you're a Star Wars fan it's really hard to see how one wouldn't   
   >>>> like this film.   
   >>>   
   >>> The point was that this film, just like the previous Episode, is   
   >>> mostly a lazy rip-off of the original movies.   
   >>   
   >> But you can argue the same about ROTJ with its Death Star etc.   
   >   
   > Only in that there was another Death Star space battle. The rest of it   
   > is pretty much new stuff.   
   >   
      
   Well, one can make a film completely unrelated to Star Wars and call it   
   Star Wars... no Jedi etc. If they named "Chappie" Star Wars episode x,   
   it certainly would be different... but not really SW...   
      
   Star Wars has the Jedi, Force etc and it's about good vs evil, without   
   those aspects it would be easy to make it different but it wouldn't   
   really be SW... Lucas' prequels were ALL ABOUT callbacks, the very plots   
     themselves were one big callback to earlier SW films. So accusing only   
   new films on references to past films is not right.   
      
   >   
   > There's no need to lazily rehash what has been done already. It is   
   > possible to create new stories within the universe that are actually *new*.   
   >   
      
   Would be nice to see an entirely different world with, say, floating   
   islands, and dragons, and blue people... let's call them Na'vi. This   
   could be a successful new concept... Nah, probably not...   
      
   If you want entirely new universe and characters, try...   
   Starchaser: The Legend of Orin (1985)   
      
   I think it's pretty nice Star Warsy animation film.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>> "Rogue One", although it did have some flaws, was a MUCH MUCH MUCH   
   >>> better movie than either of the new Episodes ... because it was a new   
   >>> story, with new characters (although it did stupidly shoe-horn in   
   >>> existing ones towards the end). The Saga should have been left alone   
   >>> as a six-part series that finished with a 'happy ever after' ending.   
   >>   
   >> I totally disagree with Rogue One... I thought characterization was   
   >> rather weak and the film in general didn't fit the tone of previous   
   >> films. I agree it was different from other films of the franchise but   
   >> I don't think that was a good thing in this case, it didn't FEEL or   
   >> look like Star Wars to me.   
   >   
   > I didn't say it was a good film in itself, simply that it's much better   
   > than either of the lazy rehashes Episode VII or VIII. At least "Rogue   
   > One" tells different story, rather than simply ripping off what has   
   > already been done in the original movies.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
      
   I'm not sure if it's a different story... as it was about death star   
   plans. It reminded more about standard war film than Star Wars film.   
      
   I think the ending was ripped big time from Von Trier's "Melancholia"   
      
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