XPost: rec.arts.movies.current-films   
   From: ascii@dprk.kp   
      
   Your Name kirjoitti 18.12.2017 klo 22:11:   
   > On 2017-12-18 16:44:03 +0000, TT said:   
   >> Your Name kirjoitti 10.12.2017 klo 9:43:   
   >>> The latest Star Wars movie has a young Force user seeking help from   
   >>> an older Jedi Master   
   >>   
   >> Would have been pretty lame if there wasn't.   
   >>   
   >> The complaint for TFA was that Rey shouldn't have mastered the force   
   >> yet and there shouldn't have been a death star. Now your complaint is   
   >> that Rey wasn't fully learned   
   >   
   > I never said she should be fully trained.   
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   My point was that with TFA Rey's Force ability without formal training   
   was a problem for many... and now when there's master-apprentice   
   relationship then that's not good enough either... seems that people are   
   displeased what ever the story is...   
      
   >> and that you'd apparently wanted a story about a death star.   
   >   
   > Where did I ever say anything about wanting "a story about a death   
   > star"!? Oh, that's right, nowhere at all. We didn't even want nor need   
   > the ridiculous "Death Star" in JarJar Abrams' silly previous reboot   
   > movie either.  :-\   
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   Fair enough, I guess I was trying to say that at least there wasn't a   
   death star plot this time around.   
      
      
   >> If you're a Star Wars fan it's really hard to see how one wouldn't   
   >> like this film.   
   >   
   > The point was that this film, just like the previous Episode, is mostly   
   > a lazy rip-off of the original movies.   
      
   But you can argue the same about ROTJ with its Death Star etc.   
      
   > There's a bunch of brainless   
   > numbnuts in Hollyweird who haven't got the talent nor creativity to   
   > actually create a sensible movie that fits in with an existing   
   > franchise.   
      
   I agree.   
   I don't agree however that this director lacks creativity, at least he   
   didn't with "Looper", imo.   
      
   > There's also an idiotic belief, which has been around for a   
   > lot longer, that fans want just more of the exact same thing. A lazy-ass   
   > re-hash is NOT what actual fans ever want. We've already "been there,   
   > done that, got the T-shirt" (and the mug, action figures, collectible   
   > cards, ...). "Jurassic Park" is doing the same thing too.   
   >   
      
   You just said above "that fits the original franchise". Once again some   
   people are not happy if the film follows the franchise formula and some   
   are not happy if it doesn't.   
      
   > "Rogue One", although it did have some flaws, was a MUCH MUCH MUCH   
   > better movie than either of the new Episodes ... because it was a new   
   > story, with new characters (although it did stupidly shoe-horn in   
   > existing ones towards the end). The Saga should have been left alone as   
   > a six-part series that finished with a 'happy ever after' ending.   
   >   
      
   I totally disagree with Rogue One... I thought characterization was   
   rather weak and the film in general didn't fit the tone of previous   
   films. I agree it was different from other films of the franchise but I   
   don't think that was a good thing in this case, it didn't FEEL or look   
   like Star Wars to me.   
      
   > With JarJar Abrams coming back for Episode IX, we'll just get more of   
   > the same lazy-ass rehashing, as well as probably his trademark "ability"   
   > to screw it up so it makes no sense ... and then walk away to let   
   > someone else try to clean up the mess.   
   >   
   >   
      
   JJ Abrams didn't create a mess at all with EP 7... it was a basic   
   introduction to new characters leaving much open for Johnson whose film   
   was actually more messy and really left JJ with a formidable task.   
      
   I'm happy that JJ will be back to tie the story together hopefully with   
   similar elegant simplicity he displayed with TFA. I disliked his Star   
   Trek films but that's another story.   
      
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