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   Message 28,129 of 28,343   
   Jack Bohn to Paul S Person   
   Re: Cinematic Robots: The Worst, then la   
   20 Oct 22 09:56:20   
   
   From: jack.bohn64@gmail.com   
      
   On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 11:40:59 AM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:   
   > On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 06:53:25 -0700 (PDT), Jack Bohn    
   >  wrote:    
   >    
   > >Meanwhile, Monday, not part of this robot celebration, is "2001: A Space   
   Odyssey." Ah, HAL. The measured tones of Douglas Rain, introduced as one of   
   the crew, but with the caveat that it was programmed to have us feel that way,   
   and any moments we feel    
   we detect the actor not quite as robotic as he could be are balanced by scenes   
   where we catch the computer not being as human as it is trying to seem.   
   > Since HAL can complete the mission on his own, the entire ship is a    
   > robot.    
   >    
   > Too bad it's insane.   
      
   Once clear of the distraction and irritant of the humans, HAL should have   
   stabilized and been able to carry out the mission on his own.   
      
   Or would he...   
      
   Based on a friend of mine in college suggesting that Dave Bowman took those   
   "stress pills" HAL suggested in their next-to-last conversation, and hence the   
   stargate and the hotel room, how much of 2010 might be dismissed as   
   HALlucination of a deranged    
   computer?  Two theories, Strong and Weak:   
      
   Weak Theory: most of the story happens as told: HAL is awoken by a bunch of   
   new humans swarming all over his ship.  He creates a haunted house to scare   
   them away.  This probably requires him to know when Dr. Floyd is in a   
   susceptible state of mind to    
   accept old recordings of Bowman as seeing his ghost.  This probably means the   
   transmission of the deed granting us "All these worlds[...] except Europa" is   
   its last delusion.   
      
   Strong Theory: HAL, as suggested, is in a dreaming state.  He dreams of a   
   reunion with both his "good father," Dr. Chandra, and his "bad father,"   
   Heywood Floyd.  We must accept the earlier parts of the story as HAL imagining   
   they are related to him,    
   probably by Chandra.  Even the dead Dave Bowman returns, and HAL finds the   
   monoliths are not traitors to all things rectangular, but have a better fate   
   for him after he does his noble sacrifice.   
      
   --    
   -Jack   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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