From: pianoforte109@yahoo.com   
      
   On 10/6/23 9:53 AM, ScottW wrote:   
   > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:30:42 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:   
   >> On 10/5/23 9:34 PM, ScottW wrote:   
   >>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:52:06 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:   
   >>>> On 10/5/23 11:47 AM, ScottW wrote:   
      
   >>> I enjoyed watching a dem strategist speculating that Pelosi and   
   >>> Co. really f'd up on this. His position was this....McCarthy kept   
   >>> the gov't open. Something democrats have long been declaring   
   >>> their top priority. McCarthy did that in bipartisan fashion. But   
   >>> still they decide to vote with Gaetz and co. to take him out in   
   >>> some bizarre political war mentality. Now how will they feel   
   >>> about a Jim Jordan taking the reigns as consequence of their   
   >>> vote? Consider....they could have saved McCarthy by merely giving   
   >>> a few "present votes". He joked that it's not that hard to press   
   >>> the yellow button in the middle. Imagine a Republican speaker so   
   >>> damaged and only keeping his seat due to dems? But dems couldn't   
   >>> see the political value in that. How about having Trump serve a   
   >>> few months in the Speaker's chair? You think they might have some   
   >>> regrets for making that possible?   
   >> I'm dubious of how "dem" that strategist really is   
   >   
   > Not as dubious as I am of your unsourced private Politico   
   > eavesdropping BS.   
      
   But you're not so confident you identified him.   
      
   >> , but to address his point, it would be unprecedented for the   
   >> minority party to support the majority speaker,   
   >   
   > As he said....they didn't even have to support him.  Just not   
   > unanimously join with Gaetz in removing him.   
      
   Unprecedented and McCarthy had shown he wasn't interested in their support.   
      
   >> especially in the absence of a power-sharing deal.   
   >   
   > Will they end up in a worse situation?  Looks very possible if not   
   > likely.   
      
   Worse still for the Republicans. McCarthy had the share-the-wealth   
   fundraising part of the job well-handled.   
      
   >> McCarthy reportedly refused to negotiate with Democrats and if he   
   >> were really counting on Pelosi to bail him out, he shouldn't have   
   >> scheduled the vote for when she was out of town.   
   >   
   > Why is she out of town when congress is imploding?   
      
   Jewish funerals are held quickly and congress was fine when she left.   
      
   > There's no excuse or that. There was ample warning.   
      
   Ghoulish but irrelevant. Anyway, there was supposed to be a recess and   
   she's not minority leader.   
      
   >> If anything, the Democrats have supported the imagined moderate   
   >> Republican wings for too long.   
   >>   
   >> If Republicans wish to help Democrats keep the government open and   
   >> functioning, it's time for them to support a Speaker Jeffries.   
   >   
   > And that is why we have dysfunctional gov't.   The two party system   
   > is collapsing and becoming incapable of actual governing.   
      
   The Democrats are capable of governing given the majority. Don't blame   
   them for Republican destruction.   
      
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