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|    Dick Pierce to David Nebenzahl    |
|    Re: sound of a trumpet    |
|    10 Dec 10 09:17:02    |
      XPost: sci.physics       From: dpierce@cartchunk.org              David Nebenzahl wrote:       > On 12/9/2010 9:51 AM Dick Pierce spake thus:       >       >> The MORE interesting question is when you DO push aire       >> through some instruments, like the flute or recorder or       >> pipe organ, how does THAT work.       >>       >> Well, in a somewhat analogous fashion. These instruments       >> all depend upon producing a thin sheet of air, which has       >> some turbulenace in it. The chaotic nature of the resulting       >> flow might initially flow more into the tube than out and       >> thus slightly pressurizing. That pressure wave travels to       >> the end of the tube (at the speed of sound, not surprisingly)       >> and, whethet the tube is open or closed, some of it is       >> reflected back down and when it gets to the point where it       >> started (the "mouth"), it opos the sheet out, thich sends a       >> slight evacuation wave on the same trip. The round-trip time       >> is largely dependent on the length of the tube, so the the       >> longer the tube, the less frequent the flip-slop occurs, and       >> the lower the note: the shorter the tube, the quicker the       >> round-trip time, the faster the flip-flop, and the higher       >> note.       >       >       > I'd always understood that wind instruments like flutes and recorders       > work because the airstream gets split (by the fipple in the recorder).       > But I still have no idea how this produces oscillation. Very mysterious.              It is not split, a significant portion of the windsheet       alternates between one side and the other, at a rate       determined by the primary resonant frequency of pipe       that's attached to it. When you first start blowing,       it may well be split, but there's a fair amount of       broad-band chaotic turbulence as well. The resonant       column quickly selects out the primary frequency and       then you get the regular in-out oscillation of the       windsheet on either side of the fipple.              Someone else mentioned the ocarina, and correctly pointed       out that it's not dependent upon a column length. Rather,       it's short shape makes it behave more like a Helmholtz       resonator, whose resonant frequency is determined by       the internal volume and the toal area of the open       holes. The latter determines the acoustic inertance       (the acoustic equivalent of mass), and the acoustic       inertance is related to the inverse of the area of the       holes (in a somewhat complex way): exposing more holes       makes the pitch higher.              But as in the recorder (or the flute or the organ pipe),       the sustained note is attained essentially because the       air that's being blown is flipping back and forth between       two states at a rate determined by an acoustical resonance.              Back when I though such experiments were cool (wait,       they still are), I did a little experiment: I took a       sufficiently large organ pipe (which is really just a       big version of a recorder) and blew it at the right       pressure (which was pretty low) from an air source       that had a smoke generator in it. Then I had a GR       Strobotac (a tunable strobe meter) which was synchronized       to the note the pipe was making by using a microphone       placed near the mouth of the pipe. There is a phase       adjustment on the stroboscope which allowed you to change       when during the cycle the strobe flashed. Because now       the flashing strobe light and the organ pipe were       perfectly synchronized, and thus the windsheet was       "frozen" in whatever position it was when the strobe       went off, I could, by twiddling the phase control,       watch the windsheet move back and forth between each       side of the mouth (or, if it was a recorder, the fipple).       Not the easiest demonstration to set up, it did, however       illustrate what was going on.              Lastly, if you are able to capture the waveform as you       play a note, you will clearly see that the note DOES NOT       start instantly. Rather, there's a bit of what looks like       pure noise at the very beginning of the ntoe, and it does       take a little bit for the note to finally settle down       and build up to it's steady-state condition. In some styles       of organ building, you can distinctly hear this as a       slight "chiff" at the beginning of each note, a faint       but audible percussive effect which can help in the       articulation of the instrument when playing complex       polyphonic contrepuntal music (for which, largely, the       organ was developed).              --       +--------------------------------+       + Dick Pierce |       + Professional Audio Development |       +--------------------------------+              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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