XPost: rec.music.gdead, sci.electronics.design   
   From: TheWholePlanetIsMine@hereandnow.org   
      
   On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:36:47 -0700, Edwin Hurwitz    
   wrote:   
      
   >In article ,   
   > "David"  wrote:   
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   >> "Trevor"  wrote in message   
   >> news:4d6b023c$0$2448$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...   
   >> >   
   >> > "Randy Yates"  wrote in message   
   >> > news:8vKdnRKZl8nU__TQnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@supernews.com...   
   >> >> Even if the source material was marginal, you'd still have sonic   
   >> >> advantages with a CD. For example, the elimination of ticks and pops,   
   >> >> wow-and-flutter, and rumble. But I miss my anti-static gun, dirt   
   >> >> brush, and Yamaha direct-drive turntable nonetheless... :)   
   >> >   
   >> > Gee I sure don't!   
   >> > And I certainly don't miss the ticks, pops, wow, flutter, and rumble   
   >> > either. Nor the cost of replacement stylii or cartridges. Or trying to   
   >> > find decently made vinyl records in the first place! In fact I can't think   
   >> > of one thing I miss besides the bigger cover art. But the storage hassle   
   >> > more than negates that IMO.   
   >> >   
   >>   
   >> Yet another person that hasn't listened to a recent release on vinyl and   
   >> compared it to the same release on CD then?   
   >> You'd be eating your words if you had.  For some reason the sound engineers   
   >> that mix vinyl, in general, don't compress the hell out of the dynamic range   
   >> like they do CD.   
   >   
   >That's because in vinyl land they are trying to maximize the dynamic   
   >range in the face of the limitations of the medium,   
      
     The slew rate (speed) of the cutting lathe's tool head, and the limits   
   of the playback stylus' ability to read a given peak.  What is the window   
   of operation that Vinyl enjoys?   
      
   > while with CDs they   
   >are knuckling under to pressure from the bean counters to make the CD as   
   >loud as possible.   
      
     Not in all cases.  Just "modern" music, and "modern" producers and   
   engineers even.  In the beginning folks actually tried to compose   
   acceptable mix-downs from the multi-track masters that were used to make   
   the lathe head mix downs.   
      
     I remember lyrics like "..when honor meant more to a man than life..."   
   AND the music that went with it.   
      
      
   >For some reason when people listen to CDs they can't   
   >find the volume knob and just turn the damn thing up.   
      
     The problems go far deeper than that.   
      
     Oh well.  At lest we *should* be able to make a good transition to high   
   clarity, low noise recorded tracks.   
      
     Hell, I should be able to do pretty good right here on my PC, on my 8   
   year old Sound Blaster.  Atlast compared to some of what I have heard on   
   disc.   
      
     I STILL say that one of the best albums ever made, despite having a   
   couple gaps and other artifacts, is a live album.   
      
     James Gang, Live At Carnegie Hall   
      
     THAT was what "loud" rock and roll was about.  It would be cool if Joe   
   would get that band back together and do that tour again with modern amps   
   and drivers!   
      
     You should give it a listen LOUDLY.  If you can't, then use headphones   
   or even ear plug types.  Excellent album.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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