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|    Dick Pierce to Doug    |
|    Re: Making a portable stereo ... should     |
|    12 Aug 11 16:03:07    |
      From: dpierce@cartchunk.org              Doug wrote:       > I'm making a stereo that is to be mounted on the back of my bike.       > It's in a box that has internal dimensions of about 12" x 6" x 6" and       > inside this you'll find a T-amp (it's rated at 100 watts/channel, but       > I'm not going to power it anywhere near that high) and two 7 Ah lead       > acid batteries. Input will come from an iPod that's outside the box.       > ...       > As I see it, there's a few advantages for porting --       >       > -- better low frequency response              Only if the drivers and enclosure together are suitable for       a ported design.              > -- make it more efficient -- use less power for the same volume       > (the power limited is limited, so this is a concern.)              Porting an enclosure WILL NOT make the system any more       efficient. Not in the least. Ported systems CAN be more       efficient, not because they have ports, but because they       have drivers suited for the enclosure that result in       electromechanical parameters that mke the DRIVERS more       efficient to begin with. A more efficient driver designed       for a prted enclosure will result in a system with       exactly the same reference efficieny whether the port is       there or not.              > -- if the batteries do vent some hydrogen when charged, it gives it       > an easy place for it to escape. It also lets the amp cool a bit       > easier, though it's so efficient and the power relatively low so       > I don't think that's a big concern.       >       > But the stuff on calculating port size is quite confusing. I imagine       > I could calculate the frequency of the box (though the batteries and       > amp inside the box are likely to confuse that calculation) and guess       > at the Xmax values and go from there.              Wrong.              > I could just guess, put in a port that's about as large as I have room       > for, though if I understand it correctly, I want to tune the       > diameter/length so that the wave coming out of the port is in phase       > with the wave coming out of the front of the speaker -- so it *does*       > matter.              Wrong.              > But wouldn't this calculation only be valid for a specific       > frequency?       >       > The calculators I find online talk about calculating things for       > woofers and subwoofers. I guess the main speaker *is* a woofer. But       > when the calculators as for a frequency ... is it the Helmholtz       > resonator frequency for the cabinet I should use?       >       > Maybe I just need to bite the bullet and find a book on speaker design       > -- since it seems that that's exactly where I'm headed.              You simply cannot just take a pair of speakers, jam them       in a box, stick a port in it, and expect 1) for it to work       reasonably well, 2) for it to have "better low frequency       response and 3) more efficiency. It simply does not work       that way.              A speaker is a SYSTEM composed of drivers, enclosures and       amplifiers.              If I were hired to do such a job, the first thing I'd       do is sit down and try to come to an agreement about       what constitutes "efficient" and "good low frequency       response". The third factor is enclosure size, but you've       already constrained that, so the only two variables you       have left are efficiency and low frequency cutoff. Things       like XMax play no role at this stage: it's on;y relevant       in determining the MAXIMUM output.              And the conversation would go something like this: you       have presented me with a MAXIMUM enclosure size of 0.25       cubic feet, and maybe more like .15 cubic feet considering       the batteries. That's all of 5 liters. And you're going to       put TWO drivers in there, meaning the effective volume is       half that, 2.5 liters. And, at best, you're talking 5"       drivers. I'd stay with 4"              Now, the classic Thiele-Small efficiency/bandwidth/size       rule takes over and constrains reality. SP you have 2.5       liters per driver. The MOST your are likely to find in       the efficiency for a 4" driver is on the order of 89dB       SPL @1W/1m. That means, the absolute BEST you can expect       for a low-frequency cutoff is about 90 Hz. And that's       only with a driver PERFECTLY suited to the application.       Not just any 'ol driver. It would have to have T/S       parameters like and Fs of 90 Hz, Vas of 2.6 L,       Qt of around 0.4, and that would require a cone mass       of nearly 12 grams with magnet Bl product of 7 N/A.       That's a REAL tough driver to build.              And yes, then you'd stick two of them in the box, and       you'd stick two ports in, let's say you made them out       of 1" PVC, each about 2 7/8" long.              It's doable, but not the way you want to go.              Then again, just sticking what you have in the box       may well be good enough for a bike. That's for       you to decide.              --       +--------------------------------+       + Dick Pierce |       + Professional Audio Development |       +--------------------------------+              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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