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   Don Pearce to All   
   Re: Disappointing Trend in Mp3 Encoding   
   01 Nov 11 08:20:49   
   
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   On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:43:08 -0700, dplatt@radagast.org (Dave Platt)   
   wrote:   
      
   >In article ,   
   >isw   wrote:   
   >   
   >>> As indicated by iTunes, an increasing proportion of mp3s are being   
   >>> encoded in "joint" stereo.  Does it actually "save storage" and   
   >>> "improve performance" as it is touted to?   
   >>   
   >>IIRC, it's a "sum and difference" process (L+R, L-R), which results in a   
   >>lower bitrate for the same quality as compared to encoding the two   
   >>channels individually -- the L+R channel is just as easy/difficult to   
   >>encode as either L or R alone, while the L-R channel contains a whole   
   >>lot less information *in most cases* and so takes a smaller bitrate to   
   >>encode. If well done, there's no reason why there should be a reduction   
   >>in quality; no information is lost by that process.   
   >   
   >It's perhaps worth noting that LP records used what amounts to a   
   >"joint stereo" encoding.  The L+R signal is encoded as a horizontal   
   >motion of the stylus, and an L-R difference signal is encoded as   
   >vertical motion.   
   >   
   >There were several reasons for doing this - compatibility with older   
   >and less-expensive monaural playback turntables, improved   
   >trackability, etc.   
      
   This form of joint stereo coding - called mid-side - is really for the   
   convenience of mono compatibility. It does not cause any information   
   loss and permits no compression.   
      
   The kind we are talking about here is intensity coding. in which the   
   high frequencies are combined into a single channel, with just a   
   little bit of side information and some panning instructions for the   
   codec. Low frequencies are pretty much left alone.   
      
   This does give a once-useful data reduction, but doesn't sound   
   particularly convincing for critical listening. It can also go   
   horribly wrong with some audio cues.   
      
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