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   Vintage speaker repair advice wanted...   
   22 Jul 13 00:26:27   
   
   From: shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com   
      
   I realise that this post and question is a little outside of the remit of   
   this group but I'm at a loss as to where else to find this information.   
      
   I recently bought a pair of Wharfedale Dovedale III speakers from ~1970 or   
   so. I'd read reports on-line (including the original 'Gramophone' review   
   that is no longer available) which praised these for their faithful   
   reproduction of most of the frequency spectrum but in particular their   
   'deep, clean bass'. I have a pair of Goodmans Magnum SL speakers that are   
   similar design (3-way acoustic suspension) and vintage and, after replacing   
   the x-over capacitors they sound pretty good. I was hoping for a similar   
   result with the Dovedales which were their (British) competition at the   
   time.   
      
   They had been in storage for a decade before I took possession of them (from   
   a deceased estate) so, before parting with my money I asked for them to be   
   connected to an amp and played so I could test that all drivers were working   
   (as I'd heard of people who'd had their tweeters fail). The only source   
   available was a lo-fi CD / radio player so I only turned up the volume   
   enough to hear (through my trusty cardboard tube) that all six drivers   
   worked. I parted with my money and bought them home.   
      
   Alas, on getting them home I discovered that the 'rubber' surrounds of the   
   12.5" woofers had gone hard - they felt almost like bakelite! Of course they   
   produced no bass and I didn't dare 'drive' them for fear of damaging the   
   cones. After some frantic Googling I found that at least one other person   
   had also had this happen (but no follow-up on how, or if it was fixed). I   
   then spent quite a bit of time contacting various suppliers of replacement   
   driver surrounds but am unable to find anything for these. Being 12.5" I   
   can't just try a generic surround either as nothing fits. I got a couple of   
   quotes to have them repaired but they're way out of my rather limited   
   budget. :(   
      
   It seems that these really well-built drivers were previously used in other   
   Wharfedale cabinets, also acoustic suspension, but fitted with doped cloth   
   surrounds - and that quite a few of these speakers are still going strong.   
   It's only the rubber-surround ones that have failed....   
      
   So I'm trying to find out how to make my own doped cloth surrounds to   
   replace the (now cracked and broken) 0.5mm thick hardened 'rubber'. I'm an   
   invalid on welfare so I have time, just not much money. The only   
   instructions I've found on the web that come close are for making   
   'siliconed' cloth surrounds. However apparently no glue will stick them to   
   paper cones other than silicone - which is a once-only job as the only way   
   to remove it from paper cones (if the desired result isn't achieved first   
   try) destroys the cones.   
      
   As I'd like to preserve these lovely old speakers I'd like to have a shot at   
   making something similar to the stuff that used to be used for 'doped cloth'   
   speaker surrounds - the problem is I don't know what cloth or indeed 'dope'   
   to use! I can just try to use something I consider might be suitable (maybe   
   cotton and 'rubber cement' or similar - but how to shape and dry it?) but it   
   sure would be great if anyone can give me guidance or information as to what   
   used to be used. I'd love to have pointers on how to do it as well but I'll   
   settle for *any* information I can get rather than trying to re-invent the   
   wheel.   
      
   Help please? Thanks in advance for any useful input. I've had them nearly   
   six months now while I tried to find answers and I'd really like to try to   
   bring them back to life. (The highs and mids sound great for speakers of   
   this vintage!)   
   --   
   /Shaun.   
      
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   David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)   
   [Sent from my OrbitalT ocular implant interface.]   
      
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