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|    Fred to Bret L    |
|    Re: Is Al Marcy a douche-ass? (1/11)    |
|    03 Apr 10 13:06:24    |
      d328eae7       From: No.Spam@No.Where.com              You're here to piss and moan over something Al wrote 5 years ago?       Maybe if you spent a day in Al's shoes you'd grow up a little. But I       doubt it.              Fred              Bret L wrote:       > A pretty good article crapped on by Al:       >       >       > Listen Up, Horn Guys!       > By John Atwood       >       >>> "Geddes - Audio Transducers       >       > I'm posting this review of Audio Transducers written by Lynn Olson,       > since Lynn has been on vacation and has been busy with family matters.       > We wanted to wait until I had read the book and put in my two cents       > worth. I have recently finished it and my review is after Lynn's. Now       > for Lynn:       >       > Even though I'm a notorious horn skeptic, I have to admit they do some       > things well - dynamics most of all. Where I part company with horn       > enthusiasts is their persistent denial of horn coloration, or the       > claim that horns have better time response than other drivers (they       > don't), or the horn somehow damps diaphragm resonances (it doesn't).       > The most serious coloration are the modes, or resonances, induced by       > the horn itself - these colorations appear in the ripples seen in the       > impedance curves, reflections in the time domain, or variations in       > dispersion, as shown in Earl Geddes' landmark new book, Audio       > Transducers.       >       > To make horns, or any audio device, better, first we must understand       > how it works, and what causes the faults. Defending designs that date       > back to the late Thirties, and have seen little improvement since, has       > to give way to a better understanding of underlying principles, and       > most important of all, finding out if the underlying set of       > assumptions of the design are indeed accurate.       >       > The greatest impact of Thiele/Small LF design in the early Seventies       > was putting bass enclosure design on a rational and predictable basis       > for the first time in the audio industry. Prior to T/S, bass       > enclosures were designed by rules-of-thumb that could be off by as       > much as 6dB - in fact, there wasn't even agreement how to measure       > them! After Thiele and Small, modelling provided actual closed and       > vented-box systesm that were within 0.5dB - or better - of the model.       > That's the measure of how just much improvement a more complete       > understanding can provide. Similarly, Butterworth, Linkwitz-Riley, and       > modern Target Function Design (computer optimization) crossovers are       > far better than the grossly inaccurate "M-derived" filters of the late       > Forties, which were extremely complex and difficult to design - and       > worse, nowhere close to the performance of a real-word crossover.       >       > It's not widely known that horn theory hasn't progressed all that much       > since the pioneering work of Bell Labs in the late Thirties. This       > provided the foundation for Altec and JBL theatre horns that became       > the basis for the modern high-efficiency speaker of today. The       > constant-directivity horns used in theatres and prosound today,       > unfortunately, are not about fidelity, but delivering peak SPLs to       > every seat in the house, and using digital EQ as necessary to       > compensate for the lumps and bumps in the horn response. It's all very       > nice that modern horns for hi-fi are made of NC-milled wood, have       > Tractrix or other unusual profiles, and have titanium or beryllium       > diaphragms, but the underlying horn theory is little different than       > what Bell Labs was using in the late Thirties. So the departures from       > the theory - the above-mentioned ripples in impedance, time response,       > and directivity - are still there.       >       > The most serious problem with existing horn theory is the assumption       > that the horn is of infinite length, which conveniently sets aside the       > real-world problems of reflections from the abrupt termination at the       > horn-mouth, which then travel back into the horn, reflect off the       > phase-plug or metal diaphragm, and return back to the horn-mouth,       > setting up a standing-wave.       >       > Geddes' Audio Transducers is the first book I've seen that sets aside       > the obsolete Webster theory, with its severe departures from the real       > world, and uses finite-element analysis instead. With this more       > powerful technique, the standing waves, or "High Order Modes" as       > Geddes refers to them, are revealed within the horn. At the lowest       > usable frequencies, horns behave like open-ended pipes, with a series       > of pipe modes that start at a quarter-wavelength of the horn length.       > At frequencies below this quarter-wave, the horn ceases to act like a       > horn at all, and response and power-handling drop very fast.       >       > The profile (conical, exponential, Tractrix, etc.) controls the shape       > of the response at the cutoff (gently sloping vs sharp cutoff), but       > doesn't change the fact that the dominant mode occurs at the quarter-       > wavelength, and higher-order modes occur at a half-wavelength, 3/4       > wavelength, 1 wavelength, and so on. Since this pipelike shape has no       > internal damping, the Q of these modes are very high, and are the       > direct source of the previously mentioned ripples in impedance, time       > response, directivity, etc.       >       > In Geddes' commercial loudspeaker, the Summa, he takes the radical       > step of filling the horn itself with damping foam, sacrificing a bit       > of efficiency, but strongly damping the internal modes. The technique       > obviously works: the freq response vs directivity curves on the       > website are the best I've ever seen.       >       > The superb curves are aided by Geddes' thoughtful selection of       > drivers: the professional-grade B&C DE25 for the HF horn driver, and       > the B&C 15TBX100 15-inch driver for the bass. These are far better       > than the typical audiophile fare of 87 to 91dB/metre direct-radiator       > drivers from the usual high-end European sources. I did briefly       > audition the Summa at the last Rocky Mountain Audio Festival, but in       > all honesty can't tell you how they sounded. I'm not being evasive       > here - as my readers know, I'm as opinionated as anyone in audio - but       > the Summas were powered by a bottom-of-the-market $200 Pioneer home-       > theater receiver and a $100 Panasonic DVD player from Costco.       >       > If I understand Earl's comments in Audio Asylum's High-Efficiency       > Speaker group; correctly, he believes that mass-market electronics,       > DVD/CD players, and wires all sound the same, so the intelligent and       > thrifty buyer should save their money and buy home-theater electronics       > from big-box retailers. He was serious enough about this belief to       > rent a room for a thousand dollars at the RMAF show and demo his       > speaker with the electronics I mentioned above - I'm quite sure he was       > the only exhibitor using Costco-sourced electronics in the whole       > hotel.       >       > So what did I hear? A very accurately reproduced bottom-of-the-market       > Pioneer home-theater receiver and Panasonic DVD player. I listened,       > thanked Earl and his very gracious wife for appearing at the RMAF, dug       > into my pocket, and bought a copy of his book. If any of the readers              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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