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   GRe to Alex Pogossov   
   Re: Monobloc pre-set gain pot value   
   28 Sep 11 23:06:31   
   
   From: mynamespacedbydots@xs4all.nl   
      
   "Alex Pogossov"  wrote in message   
   news:4e82d9da$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...   
   >   
   > "Engineer"  wrote in message   
   > news:9a294d45-dee5-48f0-968a-f3f6a14965dd@q26g2000vby.googlegroups.com...   
   >> Hi, Vcuumlanders,   
   >> Perhaps this is just a minor point, or even common knowledge, but it   
   >> has merit...   
   >> I had put a pre-set 1 meg log gain pot at the front end of my recently   
   >> built monobloc (the Williamson near-clone that some here may   
   >> recall...)  It worked, of course, but I was aware that near the mid-   
   >> point setting the amp had more hum and noise than at either end (with   
   >> a pre-amp connected.)  With no pre-amp connected the hum and noise   
   >> just went up as the pot was tuned up.  The penny dropped!  The grid of   
   >> the first audio tube was picking up "under-chassis" hum and noise when   
   >> the first stage grid had a high impedance to ground, i.e. 1/2 meg, or   
   >> so. I had not specifically shielded any under chassis AC wiring and   
   >> there was a 60 Hz power transformer under the chassis, too, for B+   
   >> boost.   
   >> The solution: use a 47 K log pot for the preset input gain. Now the   
   >> first grid never sees more than 23 K to ground - very quiet.  But now   
   >> the amplifier now has 47K input impedance. This is OK if the pre-amp   
   >> has a cathode follower output, i.e. has a Thevenin impedance of, say,   
   >> 400 ohms (it has - it's a Heathkit WA-P2), or if the pre-amp is solid   
   >> state - 47K is easy to drive.   
   >> I promptly changed my two other monoblocs, a home-brew and a Pilotone   
   >> commercial unit, to the same pre-set pot input value with some noise   
   >> improvement - less than the first one, but the idea is a sound   
   >> one.   
   >> Cheers,   
   >> Roger   
   >   
   > Just by the way: If a pot is set to midpoint, and source output impedance   
   > is low, then output impedance of the wiper is R/4, not R/2.   
      
   Just by the way: R/4 at wiper midpoint only when it's a linear pot, not log.   
      
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