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   From: bit_bucket@gmx.com   
      
   On 11/17/2011 2:20 PM, flipper wrote:   
   > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:59:32 -0500, Kevin Alfred Strom   
   >   wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 11/16/2011 4:45 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:   
   >> [...]   
   >>>   
   >>> But the language of the bill is sufficiently broad to allow   
   >>> interpretation beyond commercial interests alone, to include persons   
   >>> conducting flea markets, garage sales, or one on one transactions.   
   >>> To the degree that it's had a chilling effect on flea markets on the   
   >>> local level, in areas where economic distress has made flea markets   
   >>> a significant segment of the shopping culture.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> What we need is a whole new culture of privacy.   
   >>   
   >> A climate in which not only can corporations, banks, and governments   
   >> not restrict or tax or control our private transactions in any way   
   >> -- but a climate in which it is universally acknowledged that they   
   >> also have _no_ right to even _know_ what those transactions are.   
   >   
   > How do you propose funding government and, besides that, how do you   
   > expect government to protect your property rights, such as your home,   
   > if they don't even 'know' you bought/own it?   
   >   
   >> They are here to serve us,   
   >   
   > I'm curious. How did you arrive at the theory that banks and   
   > corporations, which are simply people engaging in "private   
   > transactions," are "here to serve" you?   
   >   
   >> not the other way round. They are the   
   >> peons, and we are the rulers -- not the reverse.   
   >   
   >> They have no right   
   >> to know ANYTHING about our transactions.   
   >   
   > Ya know, that's what Al Capone said too.   
   >   
   >> We, on the other hand, have the absolute right to know everything   
   >> about theirs, and restrict them if we so choose.   
   >>   
   >> A whole new mindset, of unalterable and immovable steel and will, is   
   >> needed.   
   >>   
   >> I doubt, however, that a generation of cowed and bowed dependents   
   >> and yes-men can produce such a thing.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> With every good wish,   
   >   
   > Btw, strange and mysterious as it may seem I actually agree with the   
   > nebulous gist, if not the details, of your point and, in that light,   
   > let me mention that the theory to our form of governance holds that   
   > governments do not have "rights" but are granted "powers." So, you are   
   > quite correct in saying government has no "right" to know about   
   > transactions, or anything else for that matter. The question is what   
   > powers we wish to grant them for the purpose of our mutual benefit and   
   > security. Like, in this instance, to be secure from having our   
   > property stolen and fenced through 'secondhand dealers'.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Kevin Alfred Strom.   
      
   Well, true to form, you continue down an idiots path ... the public   
   servants are the treasonous crooks, the rich elite, corporations, NWO   
   types, etc. are their puppet masters ... neither are serving me.   
   Anyone, other than rich elite, corporations, NWO types, etc., who thinks   
   they are are serving them are imbeciles along with you.   
      
   Regards,   
   JS   
      
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