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   Alex Pogossov to All   
   Re: Local CFB with grounded ultralinear    
   11 Nov 12 11:32:33   
   
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   From: apogosso@tpg.com.au   
      
   "patrick-turner"  wrote in message   
   news:c72355b4-ca04-4f40-8751-f5d3cd47dbb2@m4g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...   
   > While installing newly potted Hammond SEA1627 OPTs to a pair of Jadis   
   > 300B mono amps, my mind came onto the idea of using local Single Ended   
   > CFB without needing a specially wound SE OPT which has two primary   
   > windings, one for anode to B+ and other for cathode to 0V. The SEA1627   
   > Hammond has a 40% UL tap so that many pentoads and tetrodes can be set   
   > up for 40% UL, or if you like, 60% UL if you connect the single anode   
   > winding "around the other way."   
   >   
   > The Jadis has a pair of 300B in SE parallel, and so the UL tap on   
   > Hammond OPT is useless unless in future years the owner wishes to   
   > switch from 300B to KT120, so PO max could be increased from 17W to   
   > 30Watts, using the usual UL tap going to screens and the primary   
   > having B+ at +430Vdc.   
   >   
   > But what if the UL tap was GROUNDED directly to 0V and ALL the primary   
   > placed at oV potential?   
   >   
   > One may wonder how the Fk is that done? The simple answer is to make   
   > the B+ supply NON GROUNDED and with its negative sitting on one end of   
   > the primary which is 60% of P turns away from the UL tap and have the   
   > OP tubes with their cathode bias networks all sitting on the other end   
   > of primary which is 40% of P turns away from the UL tap.   
   >   
   > Meanwhile the anode goes to the positive +430Vdc of the B+ supply.   
   > The screens may then be taken to a second B+ supply of say +350Vdc,   
   > and would optimally be SHUNT regulated.   
   >   
   > The result is that the pentodes or tetroads have internal signal   
   > voltage relationships equal to the normal application of 40%   
   > Ultralinear taps, but 40% of the Vak is feedback voltage in series   
   > with the Vgk input signal.   
   >   
   > Rather than weigh down Google groups with a huge boring talk about the   
   > analysis of the result, I give you the result of my calcs indicating   
   > the grounded 40%UL tap and floating B+ PSU will reduce THD at near   
   > full PO to < 1.5%, and Ra < 400 ohms, and Vg1-0V drive voltage is just   
   > under 100Vac where RLa = 2k0 for a single KT120, at least, based on a   
   > model  have for 6550EH and KT88EH.   
   >   
   > The problems you will cite are that one needs TWO B+ supplies, and one   
   > for OP tubes floats and is prone to noise via stray C on PT. One   
   > should use a PT where heaters are wound on as a layer between mains   
   > and HT, and heaters are at 0V, so they act as an electrostatic shield.   
   > Then one would be wise to have an ES using a turn of foil (without a   
   > join to avoid a shorted turn) after the OP tube HT winding.   
      
   Floating supply sounds not too far fetched, given that similar approach has   
   been entertained in a "cyclotrone" topology.   
      
   In your case, a good thing is that the floating supply (for plate only) can   
   be unregulated and unfiltered -- just a bridge and 220uF or so. Another   
   smaller power supply, well filtered though, will be powering the screen of   
   the KT88 and the rest of the circuit.   
      
   Also I think that stray capacitance noise will not be so much of a   
   problem -- because it leaks only in 60% of the OPT, which has 36% of   
   impedance. Besides, GNFB will kill the residue of noise if any.   
      
   >   
   > The other bother is the drive voltage of 100Vrms. Be brave men, and   
   > don't be pussy wussies, and use an EL84 in triode with say 4k7 plus   
   > 60H choke in series as the feed to +400Vdc with Ia at 14mA. That   
   > should give you Ea at about 322Vdc, OK for trioded EL84, and swing   
   > will exceed 120Vrms with 2H < 1.5%, which should cancel with 2H of OP   
   > stage - rather nicely, you shoud find.   
      
   There are plenty of brave men, but not many 60H chokes in junk boxes. What   
   if make a 500...600Vdc supply (doubler) and use an enormous glazed wire   
   wound resistor as EL84 plate load?   
      
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